Chevy Aveo and Toyota Echo Hatchback

Geoff Miller wrote:

> Bill 2 > writes:
>
>
>>I know someone (mid 20s) that was considering the Vibe
>>and the Mazda 5 when buying their first car.
>
>
>
> Is the Vibe anything close to a sales success? I must see
> ten Matrixes (Matrices?) for every Vibe I notice.
>
> Toyota must have a lot more credibility in the youth market
> than Pontiac does. Personally, I find the Vibe to be the
> better looking vehicle of the two, both inside and out.
> I like the reverse rake of the window line at the back,
> especially.
>
> I was interested to read in one of the car magazines that
> the 2004 Matrix no longer has a feature that I never even
> knew if offered: an AC power outlet. Does anyone know
> why this was deleted? (Maybe there were liability con-
> cerns, or perhaps the inverted proved to be troublesome?)
> Does (or did) the Vibe have one, also?

The Vibe has all the techno-goodies and better lines.

But it costs a couple of thousand mo
$16,605 MSRP for the base, stripped Vibe.
$14,670 MSRP for the base, stripped Matrix.
Add $400 or so for delivery.

The options on the Matrix cost 2/3 what the same ones on the
Vibe do as well. ABS on the Vibe: $500. On the Matrix: $300
Go figure. GM at it again, aiming for their own feet.

***
Select Options(Vibe)
U1A DVD Based Navigation System info $1,650 $1,469
PCR Moon & Tunes Package info $850 $757
PDN Power Package info $750 $668
MX0 4-Speed Automatic Transmission $850 $757
P24 17" Aluminum Wheels and Tires $825 $734
PDC Protection Package info $575 $512
JM4 4-Wheel Antilock Brake System $500 $445
QD2 16" Aluminum Wheels info $440 $392
U2K XM Satellite Radio info $325 $289
UC6 In-Dash 6-Disc Changer info $325 $289
B57 Premium Monotone Appearance Pkg $325 $289
K05 Engine Block Heater info $35 $31

Select Options(Matrix)
PO Power Package info $480 $432
AW 16" Aluminum Wheels info $410 $328
AB Antilock Brake System info $300 $258
CL Cruise Control info $250 $200
BE Side Airbags info $250 $215
CK All Weather Guard Package $250 $207
RW Intermittent Rear Window Wiper $180 $148
DZ Deluxe 3-in-1 Stereo w/4 Speakers $100 $75

***
The Vibe has a bunch of frills and useless options, and the
ones it has are more expensive than Toyota's prices:

PDN Power Package info $750 $668
QD2 16" Aluminum Wheels info $440 $392
JM4 4-Wheel Antilock Brake System $500 $445
PDC Protection Package info $575 $512

Select Options(Matrix)
PO Power Package info $480 $432
AW 16" Aluminum Wheels info $410 $328
AB Antilock Brake System info $300 $258
CK All Weather Guard Package $250 $207
BE Side Airbags info $250 $215

These are simmilar options. Same power package. Same wheels.
Same ABS. the Protection package is simmilar to the AWG and
Side Airbags together. $1690 for the Matrix. $2265 for the Vibe.
The Matrix doesn't have cruise control std or a rear wiper, but even
adding those in, you get only another $430. Still less than the Vibe.

That's why you see so many more than the Vibe. 17K is la-la land
for a first time buyer, but 14K is a tough but doable stretch over
a 11-13K Echo Sedan or Corolla.

A fully loaded base Matrix with *every possible option* is
~$16,200 typical market price on Edmunds. Out the door price
with $2000 in optional equipment. Less than the price of
a stripped Vibe. $16,500 for a base Vibe, stripped, from Edmunds.
Pontiac is offering a $2K rebate now, so they come in at the same
effective price, but rebates don't sell cars - a low advertized
price does, because that's good 24/7, 365 days a year.

A base model with nothing on it squeeks in at ~$14,400. ~16,000
with tax and license and registration. The Vibe is in the $19K out
the door price range as soon as that rebate ceases in a month.
That's IF you don't touch a single overpriced GM option.

Even the lowly Echo is ~13K out the door.

3K more for a better car than the Echo - they can stretch that
far the first time out. 6K more? Gotta be kidding.

Bill2:
Tell your friend about the Matrix. He should be fine with a
base model with nothing on it except ABS(worth $300, IMO).
Much less pricey than the Vibe.

Joseph Oberlander > wrote:

> The Vibe has all the techno-goodies and better lines.

> But it costs a couple of thousand mo

[ comprehensive comparison list of options and prices elided ]


Wow, that really answers my question doesn't it?
Thanks for digging up all that information and
posting it.

As an aside, here's one for you bargain hunters.
I went over to my local Mercedes dealership at
lunchtime to get some parts, and they had a
Maybach 57 in the showroom. It wasn't surrounded
by a velvet rope or anything; people could walk
right up to it, as with any of the other cars in
the building. 545-HP twin-turbo V-12, refrigerator
between the back seats, a cluster of repeater
instruments in the overhead, and on and on. Anyone
with an extra $320,200 burning a hole in his pocket
should go check this baby out.

Personally, I'd opt for a Bentley Continental GT for
half the price.




Geoff


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To clear a few things up...
The Aveo's rear seats not only fold forward, the flip as well giving a
total cargo space of approximateley 41 cubic feet. Also the slot in
the door is for toll tickets...have you gotten on the turnpike and not
known where to put the ticket? on the seat? under your leg? in
passenger's hand? Any way I bought one and to get a brand new car with
power windows, remote door locks, cd player which plays MP3s, rear
wiper, etc, etc, for 163.84 a month...NOT A LEASE.. it is hard to
beat. I did use $2300 GM dollars acumulated from a GM credit card. If
I did not have the extra 2300 to put down on a GM, I would have looked
at the scion xa...very close in size power etc. The Ponticrap Vive
starts at @ 20,000...LOL are you kidding me....the Sunfire is only in
2 dr....and the Caviler (sp) is destine for extintion after 2004 would
have been a stripped model. I would say for anyone looking for an
inexpensive (comparativley speaking) auto with a few nice touches, the
Aveo is a decent deal. I only wish it had a name which was easier to
figure out the correct pronunciation.
Oh...BTW the Echo - hideously UGLY!!!!!









(Stephen H. Westin) wrote in message >...
> Joseph Oberlander > writes:
>
> > Stephen H. Westin wrote:
> >
> > > Joseph Oberlander > writes:
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >>I did like the Matrix/Vibe's folt-flat seats. What a concept to have a real
> > >>hinge and cantilever system on the rear seats. No flopping the seat cushions
> > >>forward - just fold and go.
> > > Kinda like the '95 U.S. Escort?
> >
> > No. Folding flat is one thing. Folding flat while the seat cushion
> > also moves at the same time to allow for a perfectly flat cargo area
> > is another.
>
> Sorry, I got the wrong decade. The '85 or so Escort had a linkage so
> that you would just grab (and unlatch) the seatback, and the cushion
> would flip up as the back came down. An improvement on the seats that
> require you to swing up the cushion separately.
>
> > The Matrix/Vibe system feels like you are closing a
> > piano top - no friction or touching of the parts - just a simple
> > drop down and presto-it's flat. Perfectly, sheet of drywall flat.
>
> I imagine that the height of the vehicle helps here. Does the seat
> back stack on top of the cushion? That wasn't feasible on the Escort,
> as the load floor was too close to the floorpan.
>
> <snip>

Robert Abooey wrote:

> To clear a few things up...
> The Aveo's rear seats not only fold forward, the flip as well giving a
> total cargo space of approximateley 41 cubic feet. Also the slot in
> the door is for toll tickets...have you gotten on the turnpike and not
> known where to put the ticket? on the seat? under your leg? in
> passenger's hand?

Holy run-on sentance, Batman!

I figured out what the slot was for, but what iis that wierd
button next to it for and why does it have 4 little arrows?

> Any way I bought one and to get a brand new car with
> power windows, remote door locks, cd player which plays MP3s, rear
> wiper, etc, etc, for 163.84 a month...NOT A LEASE.. it is hard to
> beat. I did use $2300 GM dollars acumulated from a GM credit card. If
> I did not have the extra 2300 to put down on a GM, I would have looked
> at the scion xa...very close in size power etc. The Ponticrap Vive
> starts at @ 20,000

Nope. Base Vibe:
Edmunds.com has a base vibe with nothing on it - pretty simmilar
to a loaded Aveo - for $14,459 average market price. That includes
$2000 in rebates and shipping charges. Subtract your $2300GM
dollars and you are looking at $12159 typical market price for a
Vibe. $14,818 out the door(tax, license, everything) Let's say
you haggle the fees a bit to $14,800 even. I get roughly $229 a month
for 72 months.

The Aveo - I get $11000 even as a typical market price, for the LS,
which is the only version a sane person would consider if they were
ever TRYING to compare it to a Vibe or Echo. $9840 with your rebate,
or close to that. More if you get automatic, of course.

I'd gladly pay $2000 more for a Vibe - but I guess that's your fault
for not shopping better. Enjoy your Daewoo while it lasts.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

> The Aveo - I get $11000 even as a typical market price, for the LS,
> which is the only version a sane person would consider if they were
> ever TRYING to compare it to a Vibe or Echo. $9840 with your rebate,
> or close to that. More if you get automatic, of course.
>
> I'd gladly pay $2000 more for a Vibe - but I guess that's your fault
> for not shopping better. Enjoy your Daewoo while it lasts.

My bad - he finance claculator at Edmunds didn't update correctly.
It's closer to $8800 after the rebates.

Still, I'd gladly pay the difference. $75 a month or so is more
than worth it to get a rebadged Toyota.

Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message link.net>...
> Robert Abooey wrote:
>
> > To clear a few things up...
> > The Aveo's rear seats not only fold forward, the flip as well giving a
> > total cargo space of approximateley 41 cubic feet. Also the slot in
> > the door is for toll tickets...have you gotten on the turnpike and not
> > known where to put the ticket? on the seat? under your leg? in
> > passenger's hand?
>
> Holy run-on sentance, Batman!
>Which sentance?
> I figured out what the slot was for, but what iis that wierd
> button next to it for and why does it have 4 little arrows?
The button is for your power mirrors
>
> > Any way I bought one and to get a brand new car with
> > power windows, remote door locks, cd player which plays MP3s, rear
> > wiper, etc, etc, for 163.84 a month...NOT A LEASE.. it is hard to
> > beat. I did use $2300 GM dollars acumulated from a GM credit card. If
> > I did not have the extra 2300 to put down on a GM, I would have looked
> > at the scion xa...very close in size power etc. The Ponticrap Vive
> > starts at @ 20,000
>
> Nope. Base Vibe:
> Edmunds.com has a base vibe with nothing on it - pretty simmilar
> to a loaded Aveo - for $14,459 average market price. That includes
> $2000 in rebates and shipping charges. Subtract your $2300GM
> dollars and you are looking at $12159 typical market price for a
> Vibe. $14,818 out the door(tax, license, everything) Let's say
> you haggle the fees a bit to $14,800 even. I get roughly $229 a month
> for 72 months.
>did you say...edmunds.com..ok....then buy a stripped down vibe
there...What I am saying is who gives a rats butt?? Edmunds.com does
not sell cars any more than the online salary rates pays your check.
> The Aveo - I get $11000 even as a typical market price, for the LS,
> which is the only version a sane person would consider if they were
> ever TRYING to compare it to a Vibe or Echo. $9840 with your rebate,
> or close to that. More if you get automatic, of course.
>
> I'd gladly pay $2000 more for a Vibe - but I guess that's your fault
> for not shopping better. Enjoy your Daewoo while it lasts.

Show me a Vibe with the same options for $2000 more and i'll let you
give it to me in the ass....do you mean a wrecked and stripped 2003
Vibe?

Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message ink.net>...
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
> > The Aveo - I get $11000 even as a typical market price, for the LS,
> > which is the only version a sane person would consider if they were
> > ever TRYING to compare it to a Vibe (Short for Vibrator) or Echo (Short for Friggin UGLY). $9840 with your rebate,
> > or close to that. More if you get automatic, of course.
> >
> > I'd gladly pay $2000 more for a Vibe - but I guess that's your fault
> > for not shopping better. Enjoy your Daewoo while it lasts.
I will enjoy it. Thank you. It has a nice warantee.
> My bad - he finance claculator at Edmunds didn't update correctly.
> It's closer to $8800 after the rebates.
Holy calculator batman.....right ... it was about $8800 financed.
Needless to say I am paying $43 a month more than i would have if I
did not quit smoking. My giving up cigarrettes is basically paying for
the majority of the car.
> Still, I'd gladly pay the difference. $75 a month or so is more
> than worth it to get a rebadged Toyota.

I'm not so sure if you would gladly pay $75/month more for a Scion. I
must say I do like the way they look a bit more than the Daewoo...er
Aveo, but you must be insane to think I made a bad choice...lol...BTW
while you are considering....either way..neither car (Aveo or Scion
Xa) are BMW 740's...so while you are rubbing one out thinking about a
difference of $75, what are you currently driving? A 1987 escort? And
if the Scion is really a Toyota..then why would Toyota NOT put their
name on it??? Maybe they don't want to say the Scion...well....maybe
is not Toyota quality? And what is it with the instrument cluster in
the middle of the dash??? And nearly $400 for a spoiler??
$120 for friggin floor mats??? Or how about $300 for "cup holder
illumination"...give me a friggin break here. And I still maintain
until death....ECHO=Friggin UGLY!!!! I don't care if it is the best
car on earth...it U-G-L-Y!!! Hell don't get me wrong...I bought a
cheap car...I know it...I would rather have an 03 Cobra or 05 Mustang,
but the budget told me different..One thing though is I did look at
what was out there..I also looked at the purpose of the car and I made
a choice and am quite comfortable with it.
I have a 60,000 mile powertrain which should last a bit over 2
years...I dump it and get another cheap new car. Ummmmmmm....Nuff
said.

Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message ink.net>...
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
> > The Aveo - I get $11000 even as a typical market price, for the LS,
> > which is the only version a sane person would consider if they were
> > ever TRYING to compare it to a Vibe or Echo. $9840 with your rebate,
> > or close to that. More if you get automatic, of course.
> >
> > I'd gladly pay $2000 more for a Vibe - but I guess that's your fault
> > for not shopping better. Enjoy your Daewoo while it lasts.
>
> My bad - he finance claculator at Edmunds didn't update correctly.
> It's closer to $8800 after the rebates.
>
> Still, I'd gladly pay the difference. $75 a month or so is more
> than worth it to get a rebadged Toyota.

Oh I just priced a Vibe with the same options my Aveo has.....it came
to 19,925.00 before $2000 rebate. Needless to say it is as I said a
$20,000 car. the BASE with nothing starts at 17,000

Robert Abooey wrote:

> Oh I just priced a Vibe with the same options my Aveo has.....it came
> to 19,925.00 before $2000 rebate. Needless to say it is as I said a
> $20,000 car. the BASE with nothing starts at 17,000

You're full of it. The Aveo, even fully loaded doesn't have ABS,
or half of the amenities of the Vibe. At best, it's comparable
to a Base vibe. Much less than $17,000.

Robert Abooey wrote:

> Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message ink.net>...
>
>>Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>>

>>Still, I'd gladly pay the difference. $75 a month or so is more
>>than worth it to get a rebadged Toyota.

Now it's MY turn. BREATHE. Holy run-on sentance, Batman!
And, no it won't stop me from picking it apart.

> I'm not so sure if you would gladly pay $75/month more for a Scion.

That was for a Vibe. Actually, you can get a Matrix for about $1K less.

The fact that a Matrix/Vibe is a much larger, safer, and better built
vehicle(stronger components and better engine) has to factor in for
something.

> while you are considering....either way..neither car (Aveo or Scion
> Xa) are BMW 740's...so while you are rubbing one out thinking about a
> difference of $75, what are you currently driving?

Actually, I'm driving two used cars. The idea of buying a $9K car
new is silly in the extreme when you can get a used Volvo or Mercedes
or Acura for much less money. Probably pay cash and skip the financing
and need for full insurance coverage.