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Does this exhaust look like water in the cylinders?
This is a short 5-sec .wmv video at the exhaust pipe. Warm engine at
idle, mid-high 80's outside. I've been losing water and don't see where it's going. Wondering if I've got a head gasket issue. The engine was just rebuilt a couple of years ago, dangit. Thanks for all input. Video is 646 kb http://home.mpinet.net/~disneyvid2/exhaust.wmv |
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Does this exhaust look like water in the cylinders?
Thought I'd add it's an 89 Cressida, straight 6.
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Does this exhaust look like water in the cylinders?
On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:59:34 -0700, Doc wrote:
> Thought I'd add it's an 89 Cressida, straight 6. Oh...no... Actually, this looks normal. How long had the car been running? Also, how much coolant are you losing, and are you adding coolant through the bottle? When was the last time you had the cooling system flushed/filled? Has the HG ever been replaced, how many miles on the car total? This car has a 7M-GE engine, same as the Supras. These engines are notorious for blowing head gaskets, but that doesn't mean you have to worry a whole lot. Is there water in the oil, or oil in the water? Water in the oil will look like a milkshake. I liken it to a Zero bar, if you know what that is. I would have a good look at the cooling system. When was the last time you had the plugs changed? A good tune-up means removing a LOT of the top of the engine, and getting to the head isn't much of a stretch after that. I would try to find a mechanic who is FAMILIAR with this engine have a look, and when you do a tune up have the head bolts torqued to ~70 ft/lbs. Someone who knows this engine will know. You can also go to http://www.supras.com, click on the link to SOGI, sign up and then post your question and a link to the video via e-mail to the members. There are a LOT of knowledgable people there, and although you have a Cressida, underneath it's pretty much the same as a Supra. Good luck! |
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On May 17, 6:15 pm, Vash The Stampede > wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:59:34 -0700, Doc wrote: > > Thought I'd add it's an 89 Cressida, straight 6. > > Oh...no... > > Actually, this looks normal. How long had the car been running? It had been turned on and off a few times, run a couple miles down the road to the store earlier. Sat for a while, then ran it maybe 15 mins before taking this video. > Also, how much coolant are you losing, and are you adding coolant through > the bottle? Both through the bottle and in the radiator, since I've been keeping a close eye on the level lately. > When was the last time you had the cooling system > flushed/filled? Replaced the radiator & thermostat maybe 3 - 4 months ago, the fan clutch maybe 1 - 2 months ago. > Has the HG ever been replaced, how many miles on the car total? The engine had a total rebuild around 30k miles ago at a machine shop with a good local rep. I pulled the engine and brought it to them, I saw the engine apart on the stand, the head on the bench, he gave me the old pistons/bearings, so there's no question as to whether the work was done. > Is there water in the oil, or oil in the water? Water in the oil will look > like a milkshake. I liken it to a Zero bar, if you know what that is. Saw none of the symptoms you mention, which I looked at when first becoming concerned about the head gasket. The water has to be going *somewhere*. It seems like every couple of days, the level goes from topped off at the filler neck to having the core tubes explosed. The other thing is the engine has been running a bit rough at start up recently. > You can also go to http://www.supras.com, click on the link to SOGI, sign > up and then post your question and a link to the video via e-mail to the > members. I appreciate the tips. Further developments, the temp guage has been fluctuating up and down. It actually did this a few months ago which is when I replaced the radiator, thermostat and shortly after that the fan clutch when the previous two measures didn't solve what appeared to be an overheat issue. Things seemed to be doing okay until I noticed it starting to creep up to hot again. I checked the coolant, saw it was low. Filled it, which seemed to solve the problem. But now it's gotten worse. The last several days it would creep up to hot, and then dive back to normal, all within the space of a cuople of miles after startup. Today I replaced the water temp sensor to see if that was okay, it not only kept doing it, but it got worse. The temp guage finally went all the way to the top, without coming back down, I pulled it over and got it towed in, not knowing if I'm dealing with a genuine overheat issue or something else. It's losing water and it's overheating despite a new radiator, new thermostat, new fan clutch, full radiator and now a new temp sensor, plus a recent engine rebuild. The water pump seems okay, no wobble in the shaft. I'm stumped, and now feel like I can't drive the car until I get to the heart of the problem. |
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Does this exhaust look like water in the cylinders?
Doc wrote:
> This is a short 5-sec .wmv video at the exhaust pipe. Warm engine at > idle, mid-high 80's outside. > > I've been losing water and don't see where it's going. Wondering if > I've got a head gasket issue. The engine was just rebuilt a couple of > years ago, dangit. > > Thanks for all input. > > Video is 646 kb > > http://home.mpinet.net/~disneyvid2/exhaust.wmv > Personally given the air temperature, I think that it is way to much steam to be condensation if the engine is warmed up as you say. Also is the sound on that clip accurate? it like it's missing a cylinder if it is. How was the engine rebuilt? was it a full strip down or a fix what's broken job? As for a reason for the coolant loss. Is there any water in the oil or vice-versa. If the oil and water are not meeting then a coolant loss with that much vapour at the exhaust still could be a head gasket or it could be a cracked head. But I would cover all of my bases and get the system pressure tested and a UV dye put in it. That way if it's leaking you can see it easier, and that much vapour could be normal for you car. |
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Does this exhaust look like water in the cylinders?
On May 17, 7:47 pm, Nick Bourne <"nabourne at tpg.com.au"> wrote:
> Personally given the air temperature, I think that it is way to much > steam to be condensation if the engine is warmed up as you say. Also is > the sound on that clip accurate? it like it's missing a cylinder if it is. Part of the noisiness is a loose exhaust, the aftermarket hangers on the muffler are different than the stock one, and there's some slop that I need to deal with, but yes, there is a definite miss, more apparent at certain times than others. Previously, the engine was running smooth. It's probably overdue for a tune up but again, I'm suspicious of the head gasket. Haven't done a cylinder pressure test yet. > How was the engine rebuilt? was it a full strip down or a fix what's > broken job? Full strip down. Bored, new pistons, bearings, seals, valve job. He reused the old camshafts. The shop was family-owned, had been in the area for decades and I never heard anything but good feedback about them. > As for a reason for the coolant loss. Is there any water in the oil or > vice-versa. Not that I can tell. > If the oil and water are not meeting then a coolant loss > with that much vapour at the exhaust still could be a head gasket or it > could be a cracked head. > > But I would cover all of my bases and get the system pressure tested and > a UV dye put in it. That way if it's leaking you can see it easier, and > that much vapour could be normal for you car. 10-4, I appreciate the input. |
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Doc wrote:
> On May 17, 7:47 pm, Nick Bourne <"nabourne at tpg.com.au"> wrote: > > >>Personally given the air temperature, I think that it is way to much >>steam to be condensation if the engine is warmed up as you say. Also is >>the sound on that clip accurate? it like it's missing a cylinder if it is. > > > > Part of the noisiness is a loose exhaust, the aftermarket hangers on > the muffler are different than the stock one, and there's some slop > that I need to deal with, but yes, there is a definite miss, more > apparent at certain times than others. Previously, the engine was > running smooth. It's probably overdue for a tune up but again, I'm > suspicious of the head gasket. Haven't done a cylinder pressure test > yet. > > > >>How was the engine rebuilt? was it a full strip down or a fix what's >>broken job? > > > > Full strip down. Bored, new pistons, bearings, seals, valve job. He > reused the old camshafts. The shop was family-owned, had been in the > area for decades and I never heard anything but good feedback about > them. > > > >>As for a reason for the coolant loss. Is there any water in the oil or >>vice-versa. > > > > Not that I can tell. > > > >>If the oil and water are not meeting then a coolant loss >>with that much vapour at the exhaust still could be a head gasket or it >>could be a cracked head. >> >>But I would cover all of my bases and get the system pressure tested and >>a UV dye put in it. That way if it's leaking you can see it easier, and >>that much vapour could be normal for you car. > > > > 10-4, I appreciate the input. > > I didn't watch the video, but here's a question for you - was the head retorqued after the rebuild? nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On May 17, 10:16 pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> I didn't watch the video, but here's a question for you - was the head > retorqued after the rebuild? No. |
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Doc wrote:
> On May 17, 10:16 pm, Nate Nagel > wrote: > >> I didn't watch the video, but here's a question for you - was the head >> retorqued after the rebuild? > > No. > A modern gasket really shouldn't need retorqueing with a alloy head. |
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Does this exhaust look like water in the cylinders?
Doc wrote:
> On May 17, 7:47 pm, Nick Bourne <"nabourne at tpg.com.au"> wrote: > >> Personally given the air temperature, I think that it is way to much >> steam to be condensation if the engine is warmed up as you say. Also is >> the sound on that clip accurate? it like it's missing a cylinder if it is. > > > Part of the noisiness is a loose exhaust, the aftermarket hangers on > the muffler are different than the stock one, and there's some slop > that I need to deal with, but yes, there is a definite miss, more > apparent at certain times than others. Previously, the engine was > running smooth. It's probably overdue for a tune up but again, I'm > suspicious of the head gasket. Haven't done a cylinder pressure test > yet. > > >> How was the engine rebuilt? was it a full strip down or a fix what's >> broken job? > > > Full strip down. Bored, new pistons, bearings, seals, valve job. He > reused the old camshafts. The shop was family-owned, had been in the > area for decades and I never heard anything but good feedback about > them. > > >> As for a reason for the coolant loss. Is there any water in the oil or >> vice-versa. > > > Not that I can tell. > > >> If the oil and water are not meeting then a coolant loss >> with that much vapour at the exhaust still could be a head gasket or it >> could be a cracked head. >> >> But I would cover all of my bases and get the system pressure tested and >> a UV dye put in it. That way if it's leaking you can see it easier, and >> that much vapour could be normal for you car. > > > 10-4, I appreciate the input. > > Also as another thought, I have seen another Toyota that had similar symptoms that cracked the alloy head. If you get the head work done make sure they check it very carefully as the crack I saw went into intake. When you put it back together get a after market metal gasket and a head stud kit (about $200 and $150 respectively) and you should never have any gasket problems after that. |
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