1997 Jetta Turbo Diesel

I have come across a 1997 Turbo Diesel (not TDI) that is 5 speed,
120,000 km's, one owner, no rust, drives nice, etc. I am replacing my
93 Golf, and do want to go diesel.

Timing belt just done, exhaust from manifold back is new, has air, new
brakes, new tires, comes with snow tires. Little sluggish with the low
HP of the TD, but no big deal. It does still have 40,000 km's left on
its factory powertrain warranty.

It is a dealer trade, and the price has me thinking it is high, as it
is $11900 Canadian, which seems a couple of thousand high.

Any thoughts? Any opinions on the car?

Thanks,
Glenn

Here in the US the powertrain warranty was 10years/100,000 miles for the
first owner, all others were 5years/50,000mile.

"Glenn" > wrote in message
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>I have come across a 1997 Turbo Diesel (not TDI) that is 5 speed,
> 120,000 km's, one owner, no rust, drives nice, etc. I am replacing my
> 93 Golf, and do want to go diesel.
>
> Timing belt just done, exhaust from manifold back is new, has air, new
> brakes, new tires, comes with snow tires. Little sluggish with the low
> HP of the TD, but no big deal. It does still have 40,000 km's left on
> its factory powertrain warranty.
>
> It is a dealer trade, and the price has me thinking it is high, as it
> is $11900 Canadian, which seems a couple of thousand high.
>
> Any thoughts? Any opinions on the car?
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>

Go to www.autotrader.ca and look for VW Jetta Diesel 1997, they range from
$4k to $8k Canadian, so $11900 is definitely high. I would say $7K seems
more realistic.

"Glenn" > wrote in message
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> I have come across a 1997 Turbo Diesel (not TDI) that is 5 speed,
> 120,000 km's, one owner, no rust, drives nice, etc. I am replacing my
> 93 Golf, and do want to go diesel.
>
> Timing belt just done, exhaust from manifold back is new, has air, new
> brakes, new tires, comes with snow tires. Little sluggish with the low
> HP of the TD, but no big deal. It does still have 40,000 km's left on
> its factory powertrain warranty.
>
> It is a dealer trade, and the price has me thinking it is high, as it
> is $11900 Canadian, which seems a couple of thousand high.
>
> Any thoughts? Any opinions on the car?
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>

Offer mid to high 6's and do go above 8 grand... It's a Mark 3 diesel, and
it's not a TDI... there is nothing special about this car.... Highest i've
seen is a bit over 9000 for a 1998/9 Jetta GT.

My 1999.5 Golf GLS, fully loaded with all the repairs this Jetta has had
(tires, brakes, timing belt, suspension, and new catalytic converter) is
only worth 12-13 grand max, in Southern Ontario.

If you get the car have all new filters put in (air, fuel) and clean the
throttle body/ injectors and if it has one, EGR valve... I got all that
cleaned on my TDI (bad carbonization, despite regular long distance driving)
and my friend did the throttle and injector cleaning on his 1991 TD and both
cars are driving much cleaner (smoke free) and smoother.
"Glenn" > wrote in message
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>I have come across a 1997 Turbo Diesel (not TDI) that is 5 speed,
> 120,000 km's, one owner, no rust, drives nice, etc. I am replacing my
> 93 Golf, and do want to go diesel.
>
> Timing belt just done, exhaust from manifold back is new, has air, new
> brakes, new tires, comes with snow tires. Little sluggish with the low
> HP of the TD, but no big deal. It does still have 40,000 km's left on
> its factory powertrain warranty.
>
> It is a dealer trade, and the price has me thinking it is high, as it
> is $11900 Canadian, which seems a couple of thousand high.
>
> Any thoughts? Any opinions on the car?
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>

Glenn, I would check this car out very carefully. It is rare to find a 8
year-old diesel with only 120,000 kms on it. Most people that bought these,
bought them to drive. My 95 Golf TD has 315,000 kms, for example. Low
mileage diesels beg the question - Why?

If you are in Ontario make sure you get a Used Vehicle Information Package
(UVIP). The dealer is not obliged to give you one, but just get the VIN and
go buy it. It is $20 and gives all previous owners amd other information.

Mk3 diesels are good cars. Especially for commuting or highway travel. Not
the fastest out there, but they are reliable. You have to watch out for the
bolt that holds the bottom pulley for the timing belt on the crankshaft.
They MUST be replaced if the pulley is removed. If they are not they will
back out and the belt comes off. These are an interference engine, so if
that happens the head is destroyed for sure and sometimes more.

$11,900 is more than a couple thousand high. I would day it is at least
$4000 too much.

DC

"Glenn" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I have come across a 1997 Turbo Diesel (not TDI) that is 5 speed,
> 120,000 km's, one owner, no rust, drives nice, etc. I am replacing my
> 93 Golf, and do want to go diesel.
>
> Timing belt just done, exhaust from manifold back is new, has air, new
> brakes, new tires, comes with snow tires. Little sluggish with the low
> HP of the TD, but no big deal. It does still have 40,000 km's left on
> its factory powertrain warranty.
>
> It is a dealer trade, and the price has me thinking it is high, as it
> is $11900 Canadian, which seems a couple of thousand high.
>
> Any thoughts? Any opinions on the car?
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:39:43 -0500, "David Cotie"
> wrote:

>Mk3 diesels are good cars. Especially for commuting or highway travel.

I had a 97 Jetta TD (southern Ontario) before the first of my A4 TDIs.
The TD in the 97 offers neither the performance NOR THE ECONOMY of the
A4 TDI.

The 97 TD was a trouble free car, but I got around 43MPG (imperial
gallons) with it compared to 51-52 MPG out of the A4 TDIs (all 5spd
manuals). Of all of the VW turbo diesels I've had (7 now, going back
to 1984) the 97 was the worst for fuel consumption. In fact, my 05
TDI Passat gets about the same mileage, but with TONS more power, more
weight, and with automatic tranny.

If you (original poster) considering this car because of the fuel
economy, I'd suggest trying to find a TDI instead.

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Al, I know the Mk3 TD's are not as thrifty as some, but I routinely used to
get 53-55 mpg (Imp.) cruising at 120 km/h (3200 rpm) in my Golf.

Sounds like your Jetta was really thirsty.

DC

"Al Rudderham" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:39:43 -0500, "David Cotie"
> > wrote:
>
> >Mk3 diesels are good cars. Especially for commuting or highway travel.
>
> I had a 97 Jetta TD (southern Ontario) before the first of my A4 TDIs.
> The TD in the 97 offers neither the performance NOR THE ECONOMY of the
> A4 TDI.
>
> The 97 TD was a trouble free car, but I got around 43MPG (imperial
> gallons) with it compared to 51-52 MPG out of the A4 TDIs (all 5spd
> manuals). Of all of the VW turbo diesels I've had (7 now, going back
> to 1984) the 97 was the worst for fuel consumption. In fact, my 05
> TDI Passat gets about the same mileage, but with TONS more power, more
> weight, and with automatic tranny.
>
> If you (original poster) considering this car because of the fuel
> economy, I'd suggest trying to find a TDI instead.
>
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:26:11 -0500, "David Cotie"
> wrote:

>Al, I know the Mk3 TD's are not as thrifty as some, but I routinely used to
>get 53-55 mpg (Imp.) cruising at 120 km/h (3200 rpm) in my Golf.
>
>Sounds like your Jetta was really thirsty.

I'm not talking about the mileage for a particular trip or situation,
I don't put much credence in that. Heck, my TDI Passat gets AMAZING
mileage in some situations. I measure fuel economy by taking the
total distance travelled over a long time (like a year or 2) divided
by the total fuel used over the same period. You've gotta count the
times you spend stuck in traffic, idling at lights, etc. as well as
the "good" hiway trips.

If I told you my Passat gets over 60MPG cruising is that meaningful?
I think the more useful stat is that over 5 months and 10,000 KM the
Passat is getting in the low 40s.

Anyway what I was trying to say is that over 24 months and about
50,000KM the 97 TD got 42-43 MPG (imperial). Yes, that's about the
same as the Passat 2.0 TDI. The Passat is bigger and heavier, has way
more power, and is an auto rather than manual. And still the Passat
delivers about the same economy as the 97 TD.

The TDI (1.9 or 2.0) is by far the better engine.

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No question the TDI is a better engine, but not everyone has the money to
get into a 97 and up Jetta or a Golf with a TDI (2000 and up?). The 97-98
Jetta's with TDI's are sought by many for their combination of TDI power and
lighter Mk3 chassis, so re-sale can be quite high.

I haven't bothered tracking all my fuel use and mileage like you. I was
referring to a year's worth of commuting 230 km a day. This included some
city driving and idling, but mostly highway.

The 1.9 TD does not get as much respect as the 1.6 TD's from the early 90's
or the New TDI's, but it is still a reliable and thrifty power plant.

Get's better mileage than my Explorer!!

DC

"Al Rudderham" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:26:11 -0500, "David Cotie"
> > wrote:
>
> >Al, I know the Mk3 TD's are not as thrifty as some, but I routinely used
to
> >get 53-55 mpg (Imp.) cruising at 120 km/h (3200 rpm) in my Golf.
> >
> >Sounds like your Jetta was really thirsty.
>
> I'm not talking about the mileage for a particular trip or situation,
> I don't put much credence in that. Heck, my TDI Passat gets AMAZING
> mileage in some situations. I measure fuel economy by taking the
> total distance travelled over a long time (like a year or 2) divided
> by the total fuel used over the same period. You've gotta count the
> times you spend stuck in traffic, idling at lights, etc. as well as
> the "good" hiway trips.
>
> If I told you my Passat gets over 60MPG cruising is that meaningful?
> I think the more useful stat is that over 5 months and 10,000 KM the
> Passat is getting in the low 40s.
>
> Anyway what I was trying to say is that over 24 months and about
> 50,000KM the 97 TD got 42-43 MPG (imperial). Yes, that's about the
> same as the Passat 2.0 TDI. The Passat is bigger and heavier, has way
> more power, and is an auto rather than manual. And still the Passat
> delivers about the same economy as the 97 TD.
>
> The TDI (1.9 or 2.0) is by far the better engine.
>
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