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Had my 300M aligned
For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out to be
a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the steering wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after checking with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the alignment correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I printed out the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important stuff and took the car over. They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong and they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a road test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after they aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop in these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close to it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather stripping and buying one additional piece for splicing. |
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Art,
I'm not sure I get it. "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched front wheels and that solved the problem" Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and not drift? Something still doesn't sound right. One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to get the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment on any vehicle. "Art" > wrote in message ink.net... > For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out to > be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the steering > wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after checking > with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the alignment > correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I printed out > the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important stuff and > took the car over. > > They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong and > they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a road > test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after they > aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and > switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly > aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. > > By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop in > these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their > opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close to > it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an > Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k > miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather > stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather stripping > and buying one additional piece for splicing. > |
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"NJ Vike" > wrote in message ink.net... > Art, > > I'm not sure I get it. > > "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched > front wheels and that solved the problem" > > Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and not > drift? Something still doesn't sound right. > > One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to get > the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment on any > vehicle. > > > > "Art" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out to > > be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the steering > > wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after checking > > with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the alignment > > correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I printed out > > the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important stuff and > > took the car over. > > > > They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong and > > they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a road > > test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after they > > aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and > > switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly > > aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. > > > > By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop in > > these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their > > opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close to > > it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an > > Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k > > miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather > > stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather stripping > > and buying one additional piece for splicing. > > > > That is a common problem with tires. Its a radial tire pull. What should have been done next was to have the tires road force balanced to see if the tires were any good. The OP makes no mention of that being done Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech |
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Never heard of a radial pull but it seems that they should have informed Art
that there's another issue than to switch tires. -- "Now Phoebe Snow direct can go from thirty-third to Buffalo. From Broadway bright the tubes run right Into the Road of Anthracite" Erie - Lackawanna "maxpower" > wrote in message ... > > "NJ Vike" > wrote in message > ink.net... >> Art, >> >> I'm not sure I get it. >> >> "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched >> front wheels and that solved the problem" >> >> Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and >> not >> drift? Something still doesn't sound right. >> >> One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to > get >> the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment on > any >> vehicle. >> >> >> >> "Art" > wrote in message >> ink.net... >> > For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out >> > to >> > be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the >> > steering >> > wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after > checking >> > with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the > alignment >> > correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I printed > out >> > the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important stuff and >> > took the car over. >> > >> > They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong > and >> > they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a >> > road >> > test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after they >> > aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and >> > switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly >> > aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. >> > >> > By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop > in >> > these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their >> > opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close > to >> > it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an >> > Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k >> > miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather >> > stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather > stripping >> > and buying one additional piece for splicing. >> > >> >> > That is a common problem with tires. Its a radial tire pull. What should > have been done next was to have the tires road force balanced to see if > the > tires were any good. The OP makes no mention of that being done > > Glenn Beasley > Chrysler Tech > > |
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"NJ Vike" > wrote in message ink.net... > Never heard of a radial pull but it seems that they should have informed Art > that there's another issue than to switch tires. > It happens particularly when the tires aren't ever rotated, and don't wear evenly. If the car is badly out of alignment you can have the tires all wear differently. Then when the car is properly aligned the tire wear can make it pull funny. Rotating the tires is a quickie fix. You can also do nothing and over time the problem will correct itself, as the proper wear patterns eventually reestablish. Or you can play around with balance weights and sometimes get it fixed that way. Of course, an out of alignment vehicle makes the tires wear a lot faster. Ted > -- > "Now Phoebe Snow direct can go > from thirty-third to Buffalo. > From Broadway bright the tubes run right > Into the Road of Anthracite" > Erie - Lackawanna > > > > "maxpower" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "NJ Vike" > wrote in message > > ink.net... > >> Art, > >> > >> I'm not sure I get it. > >> > >> "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched > >> front wheels and that solved the problem" > >> > >> Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and > >> not > >> drift? Something still doesn't sound right. > >> > >> One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to > > get > >> the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment on > > any > >> vehicle. > >> > >> > >> > >> "Art" > wrote in message > >> ink.net... > >> > For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out > >> > to > >> > be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the > >> > steering > >> > wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after > > checking > >> > with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the > > alignment > >> > correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I printed > > out > >> > the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important stuff and > >> > took the car over. > >> > > >> > They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong > > and > >> > they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a > >> > road > >> > test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after they > >> > aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and > >> > switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly > >> > aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. > >> > > >> > By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop > > in > >> > these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their > >> > opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close > > to > >> > it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an > >> > Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k > >> > miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather > >> > stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather > > stripping > >> > and buying one additional piece for splicing. > >> > > >> > >> > > That is a common problem with tires. Its a radial tire pull. What should > > have been done next was to have the tires road force balanced to see if > > the > > tires were any good. The OP makes no mention of that being done > > > > Glenn Beasley > > Chrysler Tech > > > > > > |
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message ... > > "NJ Vike" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > Never heard of a radial pull but it seems that they should have informed > Art > > that there's another issue than to switch tires. > > > > It happens particularly when the tires aren't ever rotated, and don't wear > evenly. If the car is badly out of alignment you can have the tires all > wear > differently. Then when the car is properly aligned the tire wear can make > it pull funny. > > Rotating the tires is a quickie fix. You can also do nothing and over time > the problem will correct itself, as the proper wear patterns eventually > reestablish. Or you can play around with balance weights and sometimes > get it fixed that way. Of course, an out of alignment vehicle makes the > tires wear a lot faster. > > Ted > > > -- > > "Now Phoebe Snow direct can go > > from thirty-third to Buffalo. > > From Broadway bright the tubes run right > > Into the Road of Anthracite" > > Erie - Lackawanna > > > > > > > > "maxpower" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > "NJ Vike" > wrote in message > > > ink.net... > > >> Art, > > >> > > >> I'm not sure I get it. > > >> > > >> "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched > > >> front wheels and that solved the problem" > > >> > > >> Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and > > >> not > > >> drift? Something still doesn't sound right. > > >> > > >> One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to > > > get > > >> the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment on > > > any > > >> vehicle. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> "Art" > wrote in message > > >> ink.net... > > >> > For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out > > >> > to > > >> > be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the > > >> > steering > > >> > wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after > > > checking > > >> > with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the > > > alignment > > >> > correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I > printed > > > out > > >> > the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important stuff > and > > >> > took the car over. > > >> > > > >> > They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it > wrong > > > and > > >> > they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a > > >> > road > > >> > test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after they > > >> > aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and > > >> > switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now > properly > > >> > aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. > > >> > > > >> > By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their > shop > > > in > > >> > these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their > > >> > opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too > close > > > to > > >> > it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an > > >> > Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has > 100k > > >> > miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the > weather > > >> > stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather > > > stripping > > >> > and buying one additional piece for splicing. > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > That is a common problem with tires. Its a radial tire pull. What > should > > > have been done next was to have the tires road force balanced to see if > > > the > > > tires were any good. The OP makes no mention of that being done > > > > > > Glenn Beasley > > > Chrysler Tech > > > > > > > > > > > > A tire with a separated cord will cause this and over time will not correct itself. That's why a road force tire balance machine is used Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech |
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Had my 300M aligned
The 300M is very sensitive to any imperfection in tires. The original
Goodyears that came with the car were replaced by Chrysler for vibrations and the new ones were replaced by me with Michelins when the second set of Goodyears went bad after 10k miles. Lots of people had drifting problems with the 300M. Personally, I think the guy doing the alignment today was going for perfection after hearing all the problems I had had with the front end of the car. I doubt I would have perceived any drift. "NJ Vike" > wrote in message ink.net... > Art, > > I'm not sure I get it. > > "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched > front wheels and that solved the problem" > > Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and not > drift? Something still doesn't sound right. > > One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to > get the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment > on any vehicle. > > > > "Art" > wrote in message > ink.net... >> For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out to >> be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the steering >> wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after >> checking with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the >> alignment correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I >> printed out the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important >> stuff and took the car over. >> >> They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong >> and they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a >> road test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after >> they aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and >> switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly >> aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. >> >> By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop >> in these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their >> opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close >> to it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an >> Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k >> miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather >> stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather stripping >> and buying one additional piece for splicing. >> > > |
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Art wrote:
> The original Goodyears that came with the car were replaced > by Chrysler for vibrations Why did they go back to the Eagles for new 300 and Charger? |
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Nickels and dimes?
"MoPar Man" > wrote in message ... > Art wrote: > >> The original Goodyears that came with the car were replaced >> by Chrysler for vibrations > > Why did they go back to the Eagles for new 300 and Charger? |
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Had my 300M aligned
Didn't realize the M has issues with certain tires. A error in engineering?
I have the stock Michelins are and there are fine although, a little rough but I like the handling. -- "Now Phoebe Snow direct can go from thirty-third to Buffalo. From Broadway bright the tubes run right Into the Road of Anthracite" Erie - Lackawanna "Art" > wrote in message nk.net... > The 300M is very sensitive to any imperfection in tires. The original > Goodyears that came with the car were replaced by Chrysler for vibrations > and the new ones were replaced by me with Michelins when the second set > of Goodyears went bad after 10k miles. Lots of people had drifting > problems with the 300M. Personally, I think the guy doing the alignment > today was going for perfection after hearing all the problems I had had > with the front end of the car. I doubt I would have perceived any drift. > > > "NJ Vike" > wrote in message > ink.net... >> Art, >> >> I'm not sure I get it. >> >> "the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and switched >> front wheels and that solved the problem" >> >> Why would they have to switch wheels for the car to steer straight and >> not drift? Something still doesn't sound right. >> >> One idiot lowered the air pressure on one of my friend's front tires to >> get the car to go straight. I'm afraid to let anyone touch the alignment >> on any vehicle. >> >> >> >> "Art" > wrote in message >> ink.net... >>> For those paying attention, after getting the clunk fixed (turned out to >>> be a inner tie rod bushing), the more competent dealer left the steering >>> wheel crooked. So I took it to Merchant's tire, etc store after >>> checking with them that they would listen to my concerns about doing the >>> alignment correctly (as described by Bill, Steve and others here). So I >>> printed out the advice previously posted here, highlighted the important >>> stuff and took the car over. >>> >>> They said they understood the issue and only a moron would do it wrong >>> and they weren't morons. In any case they did the alignment and took a >>> road test. The front end was indeed off, according to them and after >>> they aligned it, the car drifted slightly so they brought it back in and >>> switched front wheels and that solved the problem. Car is now properly >>> aligned, steering wheel is straight and the car tracks straight. >>> >>> By the way they said that they fix a clunk once per month in their shop >>> in these cars caused by bad bushing in the left inner tie rod. In their >>> opinion it is being cooked by exhaust heat because a pipe is too close >>> to it. I haven't heard that theory before. One of the guys owns an >>> Intrepid. At 50k miles he replaced the steering rack. It now has 100k >>> miles on it and nothing else has gone bad on it except for the weather >>> stripping. I told him Bill's suggestion of cutting the weather >>> stripping and buying one additional piece for splicing. >>> >> >> > > |
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