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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote: > On 29 Sep 2006 06:48:10 -0700, "Tim Kreitz" > > wrote: > > > > > >Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas > >where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER. > >Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples, > >just for starters. > > > > HAHAHAHA. Don't start in with that nonsense again. The issue was > settled back in 1974 when america went to the 55 and immediately > highway deaths plumetted. Heh. Drive a modern car at 75, and drive an early 70s car at 75. If highway deaths decreased with the speed limit lowered to 55, that's because old cars couldn't handle a faster speed. Modern cars can. Tim is absolutely right. Pretty much anywhere speed limits were increased, the accident rates dropped or at worst remained the same. There was a case like this recently, where the speed limit was increased on a stretch of highway in Texas. Speed limits that are too low make drivers bored and inattentive, which makes them more dangerous. -Gniewko |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
Dave Head wrote:
> On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" > > wrote: > > >There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's > >the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to > >absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, > >something unheard of in Europe), > > There > > is > > nothing > > wrong > > with > > passing > > on > > the > > right. > > Period. Yes, there is A LOT wrong with it. 1. If you know that nobody will pass on the right, you can safely change to the right lane with a quick check that there is nobody next to you, because you know that there isn't anybody coming up faster from behind. This halves the number of lane-change accidents right there, because no such accident will happen in a lane change to the right. 2. You also know that traffic to the left is always faster, so people will take more care changing lanes to the left. 3. Lane discipline makes traffic flow much better. If you're driving fast, you can just stay in the left lane, and people will move right out of your way (which they can do easily and safely because of point 1). The fast driver doesn't have to weave in and out of traffic, which is another way that accidents are reduced. 4. Lane discipline makes traffic MUCH more predictable, which reduces accidents. At any point it's much easier to predict what any given car will or won't do. Again, this is much safer. Lane discipline and the "no passing on the right" rule makes roads much safer. There is absolutely no doubt about it. And to address your problem with people having to pass a slow driver in the left lane - that's an issue of enforcement and driver education. In most places in Europe, the slow driver would quickly move out of the way, and if he didn't, he would be the one that gets the ticket. -Gniewko |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
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Zoot Katz > wrote: > >You pig headed coffin jockeys don't realise that you can never look >sexy in your plastic lined cages. Of course I can't. As long as the passenger does, that's fine :-) -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:55:14 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS > wrote: >On 29 Sep 2006 06:48:10 -0700, "Tim Kreitz" > >wrote: > >>Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas >>where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER. >>Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples, >>just for starters. >> > >HAHAHAHA. Don't start in with that nonsense again. The issue was >settled back in 1974 when america went to the 55 and immediately >highway deaths plumetted. The safest roads in America are Insterstate highways - they are also the roads with the highest average speeds. -- Turby the Turbosurfer |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
"Dave Head" > wrote in message ... > On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" > > > wrote: > >>There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's >>the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to >>absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, >>something unheard of in Europe), > > There > > is > > nothing > > wrong > > with > > passing > > on > > the > > right. > > Period. > > I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe > does > is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago > here > when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things > that > included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the > SL - > 10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. > > Dave Head There's a reason they call it "undertaking" in the UK and it is still illegal there IIRC Allowing for differences of left and right hand drive:-) |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
"Dave Head" > wrote in message ... > On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" > > > wrote: > <snip> ....... the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, >>something unheard of in Europe), > > There is nothing wrong with passing on the right. Period. > > I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe > does > is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago > here > when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things > that > included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the > SL - > 10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. > > Dave Head In New Jersey USA it is actually illegal to pass on the right except on a multi-lane road when the passee is making a left turn. If you do it on a freeway (or even on a 2 lane road when the vehicle in front is making a left) it is specifically illegal and people do get tickets for it. Tomes |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>Lane integrity laws.?? HAHAHA. What about the deadly speeders and >drunk drivers, you nitwit?? Plonk! |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:42:22 -0400, "Bill Brabender" >
wrote: > >"Dave Head" > wrote in message .. . >> On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" >> > >> wrote: >> >>>There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's >>>the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to >>>absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, >>>something unheard of in Europe), >> >> There >> >> is >> >> nothing >> >> wrong >> >> with >> >> passing >> >> on >> >> the >> >> right. >> >> Period. >> >> I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe >> does >> is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago >> here >> when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things >> that >> included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the >> SL - >> 10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. >> >> Dave Head > >There's a reason they call it "undertaking" in the UK and it is still >illegal there IIRC > >Allowing for differences of left and right hand drive:-) Fine, but _we_ aren't in the UK, and there is no more danger in passing on the right here than there is in passing on the left here. Dave Head > > |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:45:32 GMT, "Tomes" > wrote:
> >"Dave Head" > wrote in message .. . >> On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" >> > >> wrote: >> ><snip> ....... the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, >>>something unheard of in Europe), >> >> There is nothing wrong with passing on the right. Period. >> >> I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe >> does >> is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago >> here >> when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things >> that >> included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the >> SL - >> 10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. >> >> Dave Head > >In New Jersey USA it is actually illegal to pass on the right except on a >multi-lane road when the passee is making a left turn. If you do it on a >freeway (or even on a 2 lane road when the vehicle in front is making a >left) it is specifically illegal and people do get tickets for it. >Tomes New Jersey is a famous nanny state that is going to protect absolutely everybody from absolutely everything, or so they think. Or, this may be more about making money via tickets. But in the vast majority of the remainder of the USA, including famously-speed-conscious Ohio, its still legal to pass on the right. Has been for 30+ years. Dave Head > > |
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