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Old November 6th 04, 01:03 AM
Joseph Meehan
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VW Golf Cart wrote:
> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>
> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?


For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test. There are possibilities
for some very minor increase or decrease in performance and a slight chance
of damage to the engine.

>
> Mine was gutted from previous owner and I haven't had the money to
> replace.


When I hear that, I suspect it really means either "I have other things
I want more." or "I really don't have enough money to own a car and likely
don't have insurance." I hope that does not apply here. Never put off any
safety related issue. Park the car first.

> What would be a good/cheap solution to replacing it without having to
> spend
> huge amounts of $$ at the dealership. A universal Cat? Used cat from
> similar car?


Rule one. Don't go to the dealer except for warrantee work. Find a
good local INDEPENDENT mechanic. Dealers overcharge and chains often try to
sell something not needed and often have incompetent or rushed staff.

Once you find a good local mechanic they will be able use a third party
cat and get you on your way without paying the price of a new car for the
work.

>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 1997 Golf, 1.8l, 5spd, w/228,000 kms on orig motor.


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Old November 6th 04, 02:07 AM
Randolph
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VW Golf Cart wrote:
>
> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>
> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?
>
> Mine was gutted from previous owner and I haven't had the money to replace.
> What would be a good/cheap solution to replacing it without having to spend
> huge amounts of $$ at the dealership. A universal Cat? Used cat from
> similar car?


In '97 the US had OBD II already, so the US '97 Jetta should have two
oxygen sensors, one upstream of the cat and one downstream of the cat.
If the cat is gone, this will be detected by the ECU and it will throw
an error code. I guess you are in the UK (?) and it seems you don't have
two oxygen sensors, as you didn't mention any error codes. Your car
won't get damaged by driving it without the catalytic converter, but you
will pollute more and you will not be able to pass the MOT test (or
whatever it is called in your part of the word).

You can get after-market catalytic converters. I had my original one
replaced with an after market unit several years ago, and it works fine.
The car has passed smog test at least once, possibly twice (can't
remember), after I got the new one put in. The one I got was only a few
hundred dollars, far from OEM pricing!

Oh, and remember that if you are a liberal, you now won't have any say
in any environmental issue until you get a new catalytic converter
installed.
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Old November 6th 04, 05:34 AM
Matt B.
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"Joseph Meehan" > wrote in message
...
> VW Golf Cart wrote:
>> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>>
>> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?

>
> For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
> tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test.


Mostly true although I'm not sure about the mandated test. My '91 GTI had a
completely hollow cat a year after a smog test but I suspect the cat was
going for quite some time before I discovered it to be hollow (during a
complete exhaust replacement) and I still passed the smog test the year
before with no problem. Even so, it's a bit of a gamble.


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Old November 6th 04, 10:18 AM
Nik&Andy
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Your 91 GTI may not have legally required a CAT, therefore it would pass an
emissions test easily.
Mandatory Cat's did not become law until around about 'K' reg...

Andy

"Matt B." > wrote in message
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> "Joseph Meehan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> VW Golf Cart wrote:
>>> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>>>
>>> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?

>>
>> For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
>> tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test.

>
> Mostly true although I'm not sure about the mandated test. My '91 GTI had
> a completely hollow cat a year after a smog test but I suspect the cat was
> going for quite some time before I discovered it to be hollow (during a
> complete exhaust replacement) and I still passed the smog test the year
> before with no problem. Even so, it's a bit of a gamble.
>



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Old November 6th 04, 12:41 PM
Dave Hall
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Yes, it's P (suffix) for Pollution and K (pre-fix) for Kat.

BTW, in the UK, if you are a liberal, you haven't had any say in anything for
about 70 years, and whatever your political colour we get little say globally
anyway when it comes to environmental pollution. Kyoto "agreement", what's
that? ;-)

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"Nik&Andy" > wrote in message
...
> Your 91 GTI may not have legally required a CAT, therefore it would pass an
> emissions test easily.
> Mandatory Cat's did not become law until around about 'K' reg...
>
> Andy
>
> "Matt B." > wrote in message
> news:CvYid.93611$cJ3.31034@fed1read06...
> > "Joseph Meehan" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> VW Golf Cart wrote:
> >>> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
> >>>
> >>> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?
> >>
> >> For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
> >> tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test.

> >
> > Mostly true although I'm not sure about the mandated test. My '91 GTI had
> > a completely hollow cat a year after a smog test but I suspect the cat was
> > going for quite some time before I discovered it to be hollow (during a
> > complete exhaust replacement) and I still passed the smog test the year
> > before with no problem. Even so, it's a bit of a gamble.
> >

>
>



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Old November 7th 04, 01:27 AM
Joseph Meehan
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VW Golf Cart wrote:
> "Joseph Meehan" > wrote in message
> .
>>>
>>> Mine was gutted from previous owner and I haven't had the money to
>>> replace.

>>
>> When I hear that, I suspect it really means either "I have other
>> things
>> I want more." or "I really don't have enough money to own a car and
>> likely
>> don't have insurance." I hope that does not apply here. Never put off
>> any
>> safety related issue. Park the car first.

>
> Why make that assumption?? Why are you such an ass??
>
> I do have other things I want more, I have an 18 month old that I need to
> care for more then my Second vehicle. I already have a reliable Family
> car.
> The golf just gets me back and forth to school everyday.
>
> AND, Yes, I have FULL insurance on both my cars, how dare you make a
> statement like that....F'n nerve!
>
> Steve


Please re-read the statement I made. Either I hit close to home, or you
did not really read what I worte.

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Old November 7th 04, 01:37 AM
Tom's VR6
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In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, Joseph Meehan wrote:

>VW Golf Cart wrote:
>> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>>
>> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?

>
> For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
>tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test. There are possibilities
>for some very minor increase or decrease in performance and a slight chance
>of damage to the engine.
>
>>
>> Mine was gutted from previous owner and I haven't had the money to
>> replace.

>
> When I hear that, I suspect it really means either "I have other things
>I want more." or "I really don't have enough money to own a car and likely
>don't have insurance." I hope that does not apply here. Never put off any
>safety related issue. Park the car first.


Catalytic converter is safety-related? Let's hear *that* reasoning.

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Old November 7th 04, 12:39 PM
Joseph Meehan
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Tom's VR6 wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>
>> VW Golf Cart wrote:
>>> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>>>
>>> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?

>>
>> For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
>> tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test. There are
>> possibilities for some very minor increase or decrease in performance and
>> a slight chance of damage to the engine.
>>
>>>
>>> Mine was gutted from previous owner and I haven't had the money to
>>> replace.

>>
>> When I hear that, I suspect it really means either "I have other
>> things
>> I want more." or "I really don't have enough money to own a car and
>> likely
>> don't have insurance." I hope that does not apply here. Never put off
>> any
>> safety related issue. Park the car first.

>
> Catalytic converter is safety-related? Let's hear *that* reasoning.


Re-read the message. It does not say catalytic converters are safety
related.

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Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math



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Old November 7th 04, 07:15 PM
Peter Parker
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In article >,
Joseph Meehan > wrote:
>Tom's VR6 wrote:
>> In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>
>>> VW Golf Cart wrote:
>>>> What would be the result of not having a Catalytic Converter?
>>>>
>>>> More exhaust odor? Less Fuel economy?
>>>
>>> For the most part the result will be more pollution coming out the
>>> tailpipe. It also will not pass any mandated test. There are
>>> possibilities for some very minor increase or decrease in performance and
>>> a slight chance of damage to the engine.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mine was gutted from previous owner and I haven't had the money to
>>>> replace.
>>>
>>> When I hear that, I suspect it really means either "I have other
>>> things
>>> I want more." or "I really don't have enough money to own a car and
>>> likely
>>> don't have insurance." I hope that does not apply here. Never put off
>>> any
>>> safety related issue. Park the car first.

>>
>> Catalytic converter is safety-related? Let's hear *that* reasoning.

>
> Re-read the message. It does not say catalytic converters are safety
>related.


Yea, it only reads issues are safety related. You see, Joe likes to suck on
VW car fumes every once in a while and those NONCAT car fumes are like
smoking a non-filtered cigarette. That would be a real safety related issue
for Joe...

(Humor sign for the humorless)


>
>--
>Joseph E. Meehan
>
>26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
>
>
>



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Old November 7th 04, 07:41 PM
Matt B.
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"VW Golf Cart" > wrote in message
...
>I got one question, what if i could get a similar Cat, but not designed for
> the car?
> It's actually a more of a free flow Cat?
> Will this work??
> I'm really not prepared to pay hundred of dollars for a brand new Cat.


Yes. I'm running a TT high-flow cat and it works just fine. About $150 I
think it was.


 




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