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Well Peabody, I'd say if Mr.Earl will pay for the collateral damage, to
the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say let-R-run and see who's right. Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation of "when to replace the t/belt." For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break... Peabody wrote: > For what it may be worth: > > I have a 94 Accord (soon to be 11 years old) with only 49,000 miles > on it. Today I went to see Earl, who for the last 15 years has run > a local repair shop specializing in Hondas and Acuras, and who is > highly respected for the quality of his work and his expertise. > > Earl said the timing belt is almost exclusively a mileage item, and > he would not recommend replacing mine until I reach 90k miles, > pretty much no matter how long that takes. He said failures at > fewer miles are extremely rare, and he routinely sees low-mileage > early 80's Accords which still have their original timing belts. > > Earl had the opportunity to relieve me of several hundred dollars, > since I went in to schedule the belt replacement, but he pretty > firmly turned me down. So, I assume he at least believes what he's > saying, even if he may not be right. -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\<. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... |
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Sparky Spartacus wrote: > > slim wrote: > > > > > Elle wrote: > > > >>"Peabody" > wrote > >>E wrote > >> > >>>Well, I first inspected mine at about 32,000 miles when the > >>>dealership "inspected" mine and told me they needed to be > >>>replaced. They did this with a straight face. I took the > >>>wheels off and looked, and it was obvious I was being > >>>bull****ted, and I complained to the service manager. The > >>>second time was last week. At 49,300 miles, I thought it > >>>probably wasn't too early to check them again. > >> > >>My 91 Civic's first brake pads wore to the warning tabs after 43k miles. > > > > > > The Scumbags at Paragon Honda in LIC told me at 12K that "they had to" > > replace my pads to keep my warranty intact. > > I hope you reported them to Honda. "Each dealership is independently owned and operated and the repair fell into accepted standards." Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge you four hours labor for a two hour job. They HAVE to. The Honda book says so. -------------------- http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...now-usat_x.htm "Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would last "weeks, not months."" http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/ar...05/052705w.php "More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy, and the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to eliminating weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to planting democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos." RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/fil...yan_Medium.mov http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ickenhawks.htm "Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim |
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slim wrote:
> > Sparky Spartacus wrote: > >>slim wrote: >> >>>Elle wrote: >>> >>>>"Peabody" > wrote >>>>E wrote >>>> >>>>>Well, I first inspected mine at about 32,000 miles when the >>>>>dealership "inspected" mine and told me they needed to be >>>>>replaced. They did this with a straight face. I took the >>>>>wheels off and looked, and it was obvious I was being >>>>>bull****ted, and I complained to the service manager. The >>>>>second time was last week. At 49,300 miles, I thought it >>>>>probably wasn't too early to check them again. >>>> >>>>My 91 Civic's first brake pads wore to the warning tabs after 43k miles. >>> >>>The Scumbags at Paragon Honda in LIC told me at 12K that "they had to" >>>replace my pads to keep my warranty intact. >> >>I hope you reported them to Honda. > > "Each dealership is independently owned and operated True, but a Honda dealership is a license to print money and Honda probably cares about how the public regards it. Dealers cannot afford to jeopardize their relationship with Honda. > and the repair fell into accepted standards." Which standards are those? If the pads weren't worn to their service life, this was fraud, along with false claim about being required to keep the "warranty intact". If it were me, I'd report them to Honda (plus the BBB & the state agency which deals with this sort of thing) and see what Honda had to say, after telling the dealer to get stuffed. Be sure to note which service adviser told you this. |
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"slim" > wrote in message ... > Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge > you four hours labor for a two hour job. If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six hour charge? If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less? Because he's better? Same result, same charge. |
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Steve Bigelow wrote:
> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six > hour charge? > If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper > tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less? > Because he's better? > > Same result, same charge. Sure with one of the publishers I work for felt this way... will NEVER happen! |
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Steve Bigelow wrote: > > "slim" > wrote in message > ... > > Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge > > you four hours labor for a two hour job. > > If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six > hour charge? Nice attempt at a strawman. > If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper > tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less? > Because he's better? > > Same result, same charge. Not true. The Scumbag says he "has" to charge $675 for a belt/pump job. Most mechanics around me will do the job for $400-475. -------------------- http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...now-usat_x.htm "Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would last "weeks, not months."" http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/ar...05/052705w.php "More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy, and the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to eliminating weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to planting democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos." RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/fil...yan_Medium.mov http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ickenhawks.htm "Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim |
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"slim" > wrote in message ... > > > Steve Bigelow wrote: >> >> "slim" > wrote in message >> ... >> > Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge >> > you four hours labor for a two hour job. >> >> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that >> six >> hour charge? > > Nice attempt at a strawman. Thanks! Enjoyed your rebuttal as well! >> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the >> proper >> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less? >> Because he's better? >> >> Same result, same charge. > > Not true. Ok, so what's the difference between the two jobs above? > The Scumbag says he "has" to charge $675 for a belt/pump job. > > Most mechanics around me will do the job for $400-475. So what's the problem? Didn't shop around? |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article >, slim > > wrote: > > >>>If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six >>>hour charge? >> >>Nice attempt at a strawman. > > > no, it's the truth. > book rate is book rate. obviously it can be fudged by a "nice" independant. thats why good, quick ASE certified mechanics can make good money- by doing more work. FWIW, when i got the engine on my rabbit convertible replaced years ago, i had to upsell the independant mechanic by ASKING him to do the CV joints. |
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Steve Bigelow wrote:
> "slim" > wrote in message > ... > >>Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge >>you four hours labor for a two hour job. > > > If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six > hour charge? > If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper > tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less? > Because he's better? > > Same result, same charge. Three words, Steve: flat rate manual It won't take the new mechanic 6 hours to do a job the FRM rates at 4 hours. |
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"Sparky Spartacus" > wrote in message ... > Steve Bigelow wrote: >> "slim" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge >>>you four hours labor for a two hour job. >> >> >> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that >> six hour charge? >> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the >> proper tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less? >> Because he's better? >> >> Same result, same charge. > > Three words, Steve: flat rate manual > > It won't take the new mechanic 6 hours to do a job the FRM rates at 4 > hours. *sigh* Never mind. |
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