B/RB vacuum advance source?

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>
>>Can someone tell me where I can find a source for an early 70's B/RB
>>vacuum advance?
>
>
> NAPA (Echlin) or any store that carries Standard-BlueStreak. Spend a few
> minutes with the older-car application catalogue and the buyer's guide;
> both lines still have a great many different advances for these engines
> and you should be able to get one that works the way you want it to.
>

The store I went to first carries GB/Sorensen, this is where I got the
wrong unit. unfortunately I do not have a NAPA store handy but I did
find one that carries standard stuff so I will make a note of the
numbers you posted (hopefully they cross OK.)

>
>>Preferably adjustable
>
>
> Crane used to make adjustable vacuum advance units for Mopar G/RG, A, and
> B/RB engines. I just got off the phone with the Crane techline, whereon
> the guy claimed Crane never made any such a product.
>

Man, I hate when companies do that. "What do you mean you never made
it? I'm holding one in my ****in' hand, and I'd like to buy another."
It's one thing to discontinue a product but another entirely for your
tech. support line to be forking stupid.

>
>>My parts distributor has a bad diaphragm in the
>>vacuum advance and I'm having zippy joy finding a replacement.
>
>
> I looked up the advance in the NAPA Echlin line for a '66 Dodge Charger
> w/383 engine. This pre-smog application would seem a good match for your
> '62. There are two possibilities listed: VC1165 and VC1175. Here are the
> specs:
>
> VC1165:
> Advance starts at 8 to 10 In. HG vacuum
>
> VC1175:
> Advance starts at 4.5 to 8 In. HG vacuum
>
> No spec is given (rats!) for the total amount of advance these units
> provide, but that's not a big deal...you can read it right off the pull
> arm; the number is given in distributor degrees (e.g. "6.5R" or "7X")
> which you double to get crankshaft degrees (ignore the letter after the
> number).
>

Hmm, now I guess I need to crack open the Stude shop manual again...
where the heck did I put that thing... I know it's got the advance
curves in there somewhere...

thanks for the reply, it's more useful than you know

nate

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Hi

I believe all elecronic vacuum advances are adjustable so any one WILL work.

Larry

Hi

I believe all elecronic vacuum advances are adjustable so any one WILL work.

Larry

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:

> The store I went to first carries GB/Sorensen, this is where I got the
> wrong unit. unfortunately I do not have a NAPA store handy but I did
> find one that carries standard stuff so I will make a note of the
> numbers you posted (hopefully they cross OK.)

Good luck with that. I've been meaning to drive up to my local
Standard-Bluestreak jobber; I need some catalogues for another project I'm
working on. If I get them any time soon I'll share the info with you.

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:

> The store I went to first carries GB/Sorensen, this is where I got the
> wrong unit. unfortunately I do not have a NAPA store handy but I did
> find one that carries standard stuff so I will make a note of the
> numbers you posted (hopefully they cross OK.)

Good luck with that. I've been meaning to drive up to my local
Standard-Bluestreak jobber; I need some catalogues for another project I'm
working on. If I get them any time soon I'll share the info with you.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>
>>The store I went to first carries GB/Sorensen, this is where I got the
>>wrong unit. unfortunately I do not have a NAPA store handy but I did
>>find one that carries standard stuff so I will make a note of the
>>numbers you posted (hopefully they cross OK.)
>
>
> Good luck with that. I've been meaning to drive up to my local
> Standard-Bluestreak jobber; I need some catalogues for another project I'm
> working on. If I get them any time soon I'll share the info with you.
>

Oh, one more dumb question - are the points style and early non-lean
burn electronic units the same format? same arm shape, etc.? That
would give me more options should I choose to play with the vac advance
down the road I suppose. I just ASSumed that the Chrysler breaker plate
was the same as the Studebaker breaker plate and therefore the vac
advances were different points vs. electronic. (as my '62 Stude vac
advance is most definitely not directly interchangeable with the busted
'73? MoPar unit, which is the whole reason for this line of inquiry.)

nate

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Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>
>>The store I went to first carries GB/Sorensen, this is where I got the
>>wrong unit. unfortunately I do not have a NAPA store handy but I did
>>find one that carries standard stuff so I will make a note of the
>>numbers you posted (hopefully they cross OK.)
>
>
> Good luck with that. I've been meaning to drive up to my local
> Standard-Bluestreak jobber; I need some catalogues for another project I'm
> working on. If I get them any time soon I'll share the info with you.
>

Oh, one more dumb question - are the points style and early non-lean
burn electronic units the same format? same arm shape, etc.? That
would give me more options should I choose to play with the vac advance
down the road I suppose. I just ASSumed that the Chrysler breaker plate
was the same as the Studebaker breaker plate and therefore the vac
advances were different points vs. electronic. (as my '62 Stude vac
advance is most definitely not directly interchangeable with the busted
'73? MoPar unit, which is the whole reason for this line of inquiry.)

nate

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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:

> Oh, one more dumb question - are the points style and early non-lean
> burn electronic units the same format? same arm shape, etc.?

Same body shape, same attachment points. Arm shape is a little different;
later arms attach to the reluctor plate at a point further in towards the
center of the distributor, but the pickup plates are double-drilled for
the further-out and the further-in arm attachment point, so you can use
either type of advance with a '73-up pickup plate. If you happen to have
an early-production pickup plate not double-drilled, no big deal; I'm sure
you have a drill.

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:

> Oh, one more dumb question - are the points style and early non-lean
> burn electronic units the same format? same arm shape, etc.?

Same body shape, same attachment points. Arm shape is a little different;
later arms attach to the reluctor plate at a point further in towards the
center of the distributor, but the pickup plates are double-drilled for
the further-out and the further-in arm attachment point, so you can use
either type of advance with a '73-up pickup plate. If you happen to have
an early-production pickup plate not double-drilled, no big deal; I'm sure
you have a drill.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>
>>Oh, one more dumb question - are the points style and early non-lean
>>burn electronic units the same format? same arm shape, etc.?
>
>
> Same body shape, same attachment points. Arm shape is a little different;
> later arms attach to the reluctor plate at a point further in towards the
> center of the distributor, but the pickup plates are double-drilled for
> the further-out and the further-in arm attachment point, so you can use
> either type of advance with a '73-up pickup plate. If you happen to have
> an early-production pickup plate not double-drilled, no big deal; I'm sure
> you have a drill.
>

Cool. I've pretty much verified based on your msg. that I have a '73
production plate (well, at least the number on the vac advance turned
out to be a '73 number) and it does appear to have two holes like you
describe. So that means I can use either/or right?

Dang, now I wonder if I really need another unit at all. That looks a
lot like the old Stude unit might fit that, if I hadn't left it at my
friend's garage on Sunday. D'oh. Je suis idiot. Had I had a
MoPar-savvy friend handy to point out the extra hole (it's kinda hidden
under the pickup) I could quite possibly have had this in and running on
Sunday and I could be doing some half fast recurving by now.

nate

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