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Chooper landing in street
Guy lands helicopter on a public street to take rocker Tommy Lee to a
concert. http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/02/le....ap/index.html 3 charges: reckless flying, aircraft on street, landing without permit. And we whine about Mel Gibson driving while plastered... It's bad enough to have to watch out for insane drivers, but insane pilots as well? |
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Chooper landing in street
"morticide" > wrote in message oups.com... > Guy lands helicopter on a public street to take rocker Tommy Lee to a > concert. > http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/02/le....ap/index.html > 3 charges: reckless flying, aircraft on street, landing without permit. > > And we whine about Mel Gibson driving while plastered... > > It's bad enough to have to watch out for insane drivers, but insane > pilots as well? > This pilot could get up to 18 months in prison for flying that was (at WORST) no more dangerous than the driving most people do on their morning commute every day. He landed a chopper momentarily on a road in a gated community with no traffic. What's the big deal here? Sounds like good flying to me. -Dave |
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Mike T. wrote: <brevity snip>
> He landed a chopper momentarily on a road in a gated > community with no traffic. What's the big deal here? Nothing, maybe. Part 91 GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES Subpart B--Flight Rules General Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General. Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes: (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface. (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft. (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure. (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator. ----- - gpsman |
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Chooper landing in street
> morticide said in rec.autos.driving:
> Guy lands helicopter on a public street to take rocker Tommy Lee to a > concert. > http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/02/le....ap/index.html > 3 charges: reckless flying, aircraft on street, landing without permit. > > And we whine about Mel Gibson driving while plastered... > > It's bad enough to have to watch out for insane drivers, but insane > pilots as well? Reminds me of that scene in "Cannonball Run," where Burt Reynolds lands an airplane on a city street (complete with traffic and pedestrians) and then Dom DeLuise runs into a C-store to buy a 6-pack of beer.... -- Aunt Judy defends a known *drunk driver*: "Almost all vehicle 'accidents' are due to driver recklessness but the Chappaquidick incident is one instance where it may really have been no ones fault except the idiot who built the bridge." --"Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend," 11/10/2005 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/9jtjt Msg ID: |
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> (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums > prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is > conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In > addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any > routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the > Administrator. > ----- So, the rules specifically allowed the pilot do do exactly what he's up on criminal charges for now. Ummmm, what??? -Dave |
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Mike T. wrote: > > > > (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums > > prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is > > conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In > > addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any > > routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the > > Administrator. > > ----- > > So, the rules specifically allowed the pilot do do exactly what he's up on > criminal charges for now. Ummmm, what??? -Dave He didn't get clearance to go low/land, and its doubtful the pedestrians were properly constrained from the area. D |
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Chooper landing in street
>> > (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums
>> > prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is >> > conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In >> > addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any >> > routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the >> > Administrator. >> > ----- >> >> So, the rules specifically allowed the pilot do do exactly what he's up >> on >> criminal charges for now. Ummmm, what??? -Dave > > He didn't get clearance to go low/land, and its doubtful the > pedestrians were properly constrained from the area. > > D First of all, if he went low enough to land, how did anybody find out about that? Last I checked anyway, radar doesn't cover (ground level) very well. Also, if he was picking up one person who is used to travelling in helicopters, how could it be POSSIBLE that the pedestrian was not properly constrained? Only an idiot would get too close to a chopper before it is firmly on the ground. But if you are the passenger, you're going to have to get close to it shortly after landing. I'm betting Tommy used all due caution in approaching and boarding the bird that picked him up. This had to be a case of a jealous neighbor tattling or something. Otherwise, I don't see how this pilot got caught doing something that he was specifically allowed to do. -Dave |
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:28:45 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:
>>> > (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums >>> > prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is >>> > conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In >>> > addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any >>> > routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the >>> > Administrator. >>> > ----- >>> >>> So, the rules specifically allowed the pilot do do exactly what he's up >>> on >>> criminal charges for now. Ummmm, what??? -Dave >> >> He didn't get clearance to go low/land, and its doubtful the >> pedestrians were properly constrained from the area. >> >> D > >First of all, if he went low enough to land, how did anybody find out about >that? Last I checked anyway, radar doesn't cover (ground level) very well. >Also, if he was picking up one person who is used to travelling in >helicopters, how could it be POSSIBLE that the pedestrian was not properly >constrained? Only an idiot would get too close to a chopper before it is >firmly on the ground. But if you are the passenger, you're going to have to >get close to it shortly after landing. I'm betting Tommy used all due >caution in approaching and boarding the bird that picked him up. > >This had to be a case of a jealous neighbor tattling or something. >Otherwise, I don't see how this pilot got caught doing something that he was >specifically allowed to do. -Dave So, you thought you'd buy an "air car" and fly to work out of your back yard eventually? Nope - its getting so that, in the USA, ANYTHING UNUSUAL is ILLEGAL! If you can think of it, and it is fun, and its not something that 10 other people on your block regularly do, then you can bet your ass someone in the state legislature has already thought to make it illegal. I mean, there's nothing _wrong_ with it, just like this example here - choppers are _made_ to land in unusual places - but its.. unusual... and so it is therefore illegal. Count on it. Dave Head |
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Chooper landing in street
Dave wrote:
> >> > (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums > >> > prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is > >> > conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In > >> > addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any > >> > routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the > >> > Administrator. > >> > ----- > >> > >> So, the rules specifically allowed the pilot do do exactly what he's up > >> on > >> criminal charges for now. Ummmm, what??? -Dave Apparently the ruiles do *not* allow what the pilot did, which was to land without any clearance in a public street in the Hollywood Hills. > > He didn't get clearance to go low/land, and its doubtful the > > pedestrians were properly constrained from the area. > > > > D > > First of all, if he went low enough to land, how did anybody find out about > that? Looking at it? This is Hollywood. There are homes all around. It's hard to miss a helicopter landing out on your street. > Last I checked anyway, radar doesn't cover (ground level) very well. Unnecessary when you can look out your window and see it by your front yard. > Also, if he was picking up one person who is used to travelling in > helicopters, how could it be POSSIBLE that the pedestrian was not properly > constrained? Kids playing in the street, people out walking their dogs... you name it. > Only an idiot would get too close to a chopper before it is > firmly on the ground. But if you are the passenger, you're going to have to > get close to it shortly after landing. I'm betting Tommy used all due > caution in approaching and boarding the bird that picked him up. That isn't what's at issue. It's Tommy's pilot using the public street as his personal helipad. > This had to be a case of a jealous neighbor tattling or something. Or the safety conscious not wanting helicopters to swoop down in the middle of the street. This strikes me as a reasonable objection. > Otherwise, I don't see how this pilot got caught doing something that he was > specifically allowed to do. -Dave What I got from reading the the piece is that he wasn't specifically allowed to do anything of the sort, |
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Chooper landing in street
Dave wrote: > >> > (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums > >> > prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is > >> > conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In > >> > addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any > >> > routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the > >> > Administrator. > >> > ----- > >> > >> So, the rules specifically allowed the pilot do do exactly what he's up > >> on > >> criminal charges for now. Ummmm, what??? -Dave > > > > He didn't get clearance to go low/land, and its doubtful the > > pedestrians were properly constrained from the area. > > > > D > > First of all, if he went low enough to land, how did anybody find out about > that? Last I checked anyway, radar doesn't cover (ground level) very well. Visual inspection does the job. > Also, if he was picking up one person who is used to travelling in > helicopters, how could it be POSSIBLE that the pedestrian was not properly > constrained? There are other people in the world besides Tommy Lee. Maybe there were even other people in Tommy Lee's neighborhood. > Only an idiot would get too close to a chopper before it is > firmly on the ground. Right, the restriction on landing helicopters in public streets is meant to save idiots such as yourself. > But if you are the passenger, you're going to have to > get close to it shortly after landing. I'm betting Tommy used all due > caution in approaching and boarding the bird that picked him up. > > This had to be a case of a jealous neighbor tattling or something. If your yard got trashed with flying debris because of an unauthorized helicopter landing, what would you do? > Otherwise, I don't see how this pilot got caught doing something that he was > specifically allowed to do. -Dave |
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