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  #11  
Old February 28th 05, 10:32 PM
Jeff Mayner
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M C wrote:
> Air conditioning sometimes leaks water from round that area. Thats
> normal I believe.


It's just condensation. It would not feel "oily", IMO.

Jeff

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> "Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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>> the other day I found a small pool of what looked like plain water on
>> the garage floor about center of the car's engine bay when parked. It was
>> about the viscosity of thin oil and had no noticeable smell. It wasn't
>> brake fluid or engine oil. It only happened once. Is
>> there anything in the front end of a stick shift E39 that could have
>> leaked a fluid like this?
>> --
>> Dean Dark



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Old March 1st 05, 02:44 AM
Michael Low
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Thanks for the input. I've never seen Pentosin before but you're
right, Pentosin CHF7.1 is listed by BMW as their recommended steering
system fluid. But a quick check on the Internet picked up a
description of CHF7.1 as being green in colour. Is that right?
Otherwise, it is Dextron III in my car.

I looked in the last E39 manual (for N. America) and there is no
mention of what the owner should use. It seems to suggest you have the
garage do it... not a good idea as Dave pointed out.

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Old March 1st 05, 02:47 AM
Michael Low
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I wonder if the garages use different fluids depending on the
continental location.

Pretty shocking about your experience with your dealer. I supposed you
took them to task for it - so what was their excuse? Doh!!

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Old March 1st 05, 02:52 AM
Michael Low
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Actually my E39 is definitely a female... on second thoughts, never
mind... I think I know what you'll suggest next.

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Old March 1st 05, 02:28 PM
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"Michael Low" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thanks for the input. I've never seen Pentosin before but you're
> right, Pentosin CHF7.1 is listed by BMW as their recommended
> steering
> system fluid. But a quick check on the Internet picked up a
> description of CHF7.1 as being green in colour. Is that right?
> Otherwise, it is Dextron III in my car.
>
> I looked in the last E39 manual (for N. America) and there is no
> mention of what the owner should use. It seems to suggest you have
> the
> garage do it... not a good idea as Dave pointed out.
>


Nope, the can is green, the fluid is clear.

The reservoir will have a green ring around the fill cap hole if you
are supposed to use the Pentosin CHF7.1. If that is what is called
for, that is what you need to use. Nothing else. Use of generic
"power steering fluid" or ATF will likely cause problems if mixed with
the original pentosin fluid.

-Fred W



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Old March 1st 05, 03:31 PM
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"Michael Low" > wrote in message
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> Actually my E39 is definitely a female... on second thoughts, never
> mind... I think I know what you'll suggest next.
>
>

Can't resist.

So you E39 has to sleep on the wet spot?



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Old March 1st 05, 04:03 PM
Michael Low
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Thanks for informing us about CHF7.1 but from what I've seen on their
website the can is actually white and the lettering and cap are green -
2 people who posted on the following message thread on ROADFLY clearly
said CHF7.1 is green:

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/e32/messag...w16/18305.html

I'm not sure if you are also in North America but it appears that in NA
we use Dextron III ATF in the E39. I'm not sure if Pentosin is readily
available in Canada.

I agree mixing Dextron with Pentosin can cause problems but if you have
the Bentley E39 manual it does clearly tell you to use Dextron III ATF.
Pentosin's website only show German and Brasilian office locations.

So I would say Dextron III ATF is fine to use if your car came with it
in the steering system. If for some reason it has Pentosin CHF7.1 then
you should try to locate some Pentosin. If you can't find any it would
be better to check with BMW to see if there are any differences in the
seals used before flushing it out and completely replacing with Dextron
III ATF. Otherwise BMW NA seems to have no problems with using
Dextron III ATF or their dealers would not be using it.

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Old March 1st 05, 04:50 PM
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"Michael Low" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thanks for informing us about CHF7.1 but from what I've seen on
> their
> website the can is actually white and the lettering and cap are
> green -
> 2 people who posted on the following message thread on ROADFLY
> clearly
> said CHF7.1 is green:
>
> http://bimmer.roadfly.org/e32/messag...w16/18305.html


Ooops. Sorry for the confusion. I was mixing it up with Pentosin
CHF11S, which is what my older bimmers use and is sitting in my garage
right now. Here's the link to the german manufacturer's web site:
http://www.pentosin.de/eng/products/products.html

>
> I'm not sure if you are also in North America but it appears that in
> NA
> we use Dextron III ATF in the E39. I'm not sure if Pentosin is
> readily
> available in Canada.


Yes, I'm in the US. Apparently, some but not all E39's came with ATF
in the steering. Some came with Pentosin CHF7.1 and some with CHF11S.

>
> I agree mixing Dextron with Pentosin can cause problems but if you
> have
> the Bentley E39 manual it does clearly tell you to use Dextron III
> ATF.


Bentley, while good manuals, are not the end-all, be-all reference.
They can (and do) occasionally publish mistakes and/or ommisions.

> Pentosin's website only show German and Brasilian office locations.


It is available in the US:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...in&btnG=Search

>
> So I would say Dextron III ATF is fine to use if your car came with
> it
> in the steering system. If for some reason it has Pentosin CHF7.1
> then
> you should try to locate some Pentosin. If you can't find any it
> would
> be better to check with BMW to see if there are any differences in
> the
> seals used before flushing it out and completely replacing with
> Dextron
> III ATF. Otherwise BMW NA seems to have no problems with using
> Dextron III ATF or their dealers would not be using it.
>


I would stick with whatever came in the steering box, period.
Yes, the right stuff is available, just a bit harder to find.

-Fred W


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Old March 1st 05, 06:19 PM
Michael Low
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The Malt Hound wrote:
> "Michael Low" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Thanks for informing us about CHF7.1 but from what I've seen on
> > their
> > website the can is actually white and the lettering and cap are
> > green -
> > 2 people who posted on the following message thread on ROADFLY
> > clearly
> > said CHF7.1 is green:
> >
> >

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/e32/messag...w16/18305.html
>
> Ooops. Sorry for the confusion. I was mixing it up with Pentosin
> CHF11S, which is what my older bimmers use and is sitting in my

garage
> right now. Here's the link to the german manufacturer's web site:
> http://www.pentosin.de/eng/products/products.html
>
> >
> > I'm not sure if you are also in North America but it appears that

in
> > NA
> > we use Dextron III ATF in the E39. I'm not sure if Pentosin is
> > readily
> > available in Canada.

>
> Yes, I'm in the US. Apparently, some but not all E39's came with ATF


> in the steering. Some came with Pentosin CHF7.1 and some with

CHF11S.
>



I wonder if those were cars imported from Europe by their owners.
Otherwise it would only make servicing more troublesome for BMW.


> >
> > I agree mixing Dextron with Pentosin can cause problems but if you
> > have
> > the Bentley E39 manual it does clearly tell you to use Dextron III
> > ATF.

>
> Bentley, while good manuals, are not the end-all, be-all reference.
> They can (and do) occasionally publish mistakes and/or ommisions.
>
> > Pentosin's website only show German and Brasilian office locations.

>
> It is available in the US:
>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...in&btnG=Search
>



For small quantities maybe it would be simpler to get it from a dealer.


> >
> > So I would say Dextron III ATF is fine to use if your car came with


> > it
> > in the steering system. If for some reason it has Pentosin CHF7.1
> > then
> > you should try to locate some Pentosin. If you can't find any it
> > would
> > be better to check with BMW to see if there are any differences in
> > the
> > seals used before flushing it out and completely replacing with
> > Dextron
> > III ATF. Otherwise BMW NA seems to have no problems with using
> > Dextron III ATF or their dealers would not be using it.
> >

>
> I would stick with whatever came in the steering box, period.
> Yes, the right stuff is available, just a bit harder to find.



Yes, if Pentosin can be located it would be far simpler to just stay
with it.


>
> -Fred W


  #20  
Old March 1st 05, 06:24 PM
Michael Low
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Somebody has to. ;#)

 




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