MileMarker PE8000

I should say that a typical starter for a V8 doesn't usually draw 400
amperes, though a high-compression V8 used in racing might cause it to
'momentarily' draw upwards of that amount. Not germain to the
discussion at hand anyway.

Jerry

Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
> don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
> V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
> Bill, you're out of your element.
>
> Jerry
>
> L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:
>
>> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
>> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
>> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
>> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
>> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
>> before your motor turn to junk. God Bless America, ßill
>> O|||||||O
>> http://www.billhughes.com/
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>> situation?
>>>
>>> Jerry
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

And why are your winch cables larger than your starter's?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
> don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
> V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
> Bill, you're out of your element.
>
> Jerry

Bill, you really should stay out of electrical discussions since you
don't have the background to participate other than as an unarmed man
would in a gunfight.

To humor you, the reason some winches may have larger cables than some
starters is that a winch circuit is designed for longer duty cycles and
thus the cables may be required to carry that kind of a load for longer
periods of time than a starter motor would need.

Jerry

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:
> And why are your winch cables larger than your starter's?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
>>don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
>>V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
>>Bill, you're out of your element.
>>
>>Jerry

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Amazing, and it does all that without using any more amps.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Bill, you really should stay out of electrical discussions since you
> don't have the background to participate other than as an unarmed man
> would in a gunfight.
>
> To humor you, the reason some winches may have larger cables than some
> starters is that a winch circuit is designed for longer duty cycles and
> thus the cables may be required to carry that kind of a load for longer
> periods of time than a starter motor would need.
>
> Jerry

Bill, for the new warn 9500 winch, the specs are 160 amps for a 2000 lb
pull.

That would be like pulling my CJ7 straight up a cliff.

We were talking stalled in water here.

So if I just have to pull it on wheels out of the water, the rolling
weight is closer to 200 lb or 300 lb, maybe 500 lb with some rocks in
the way. (I mean it only takes one or two people to push a Jeep right)

This will draw more like 100 or less amps.

I think my Optima battery could handle getting me out of the water using
the winch.

I 'know' 100% for sure my Optima battery can get me out of the water
using my starter and 2nd gear to walk it and still start the Jeep a bit
later.

Now if you need the 'full' 9500 lb pulling to get out which will draw
450 amps, you are in deep do do with a stalled engine unless you only
need a 1' pop out.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>
> Amazing, and it does all that without using any more amps.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you really should stay out of electrical discussions since you
> > don't have the background to participate other than as an unarmed man
> > would in a gunfight.
> >
> > To humor you, the reason some winches may have larger cables than some
> > starters is that a winch circuit is designed for longer duty cycles and
> > thus the cables may be required to carry that kind of a load for longer
> > periods of time than a starter motor would need.
> >
> > Jerry

Bill is getting a fair education on 'lectrical stuff today.

Jerry

Mike Romain wrote:
> Bill, for the new warn 9500 winch, the specs are 160 amps for a 2000 lb
> pull.
>
> That would be like pulling my CJ7 straight up a cliff.
>
> We were talking stalled in water here.
>
> So if I just have to pull it on wheels out of the water, the rolling
> weight is closer to 200 lb or 300 lb, maybe 500 lb with some rocks in
> the way. (I mean it only takes one or two people to push a Jeep right)
>
> This will draw more like 100 or less amps.
>
> I think my Optima battery could handle getting me out of the water using
> the winch.
>
> I 'know' 100% for sure my Optima battery can get me out of the water
> using my starter and 2nd gear to walk it and still start the Jeep a bit
> later.
>
> Now if you need the 'full' 9500 lb pulling to get out which will draw
> 450 amps, you are in deep do do with a stalled engine unless you only
> need a 1' pop out.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>
>> Amazing, and it does all that without using any more amps.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/
>>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>Bill, you really should stay out of electrical discussions since you
>>>don't have the background to participate other than as an unarmed man
>>>would in a gunfight.
>>>
>>>To humor you, the reason some winches may have larger cables than some
>>>starters is that a winch circuit is designed for longer duty cycles and
>>>thus the cables may be required to carry that kind of a load for longer
>>>periods of time than a starter motor would need.
>>>
>>>Jerry

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

BUT, for the sake of argument what would it take to generate the
power required to max it out at ninety five hundred pounds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bill, for the new warn 9500 winch, the specs are 160 amps for a 2000 lb
> pull.
>
> That would be like pulling my CJ7 straight up a cliff.
>
> We were talking stalled in water here.
>
> So if I just have to pull it on wheels out of the water, the rolling
> weight is closer to 200 lb or 300 lb, maybe 500 lb with some rocks in
> the way. (I mean it only takes one or two people to push a Jeep right)
>
> This will draw more like 100 or less amps.
>
> I think my Optima battery could handle getting me out of the water using
> the winch.
>
> I 'know' 100% for sure my Optima battery can get me out of the water
> using my starter and 2nd gear to walk it and still start the Jeep a bit
> later.
>
> Now if you need the 'full' 9500 lb pulling to get out which will draw
> 450 amps, you are in deep do do with a stalled engine unless you only
> need a 1' pop out.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Pretty much any battery will handle a 450 amp load for a short time. My
alternator is only 70A or so.

I have had my cables smoking once when it stalled pulling a wheel and
axle less hulk out of the bush. That was a serious draw and the
battery/alternator had to work hard for a while after. It pulled the
idle down for a while because of the draw on the alternator. I had to
use my hand throttle.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>
> BUT, for the sake of argument what would it take to generate the
> power required to max it out at ninety five hundred pounds.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Bill, for the new warn 9500 winch, the specs are 160 amps for a 2000 lb
> > pull.
> >
> > That would be like pulling my CJ7 straight up a cliff.
> >
> > We were talking stalled in water here.
> >
> > So if I just have to pull it on wheels out of the water, the rolling
> > weight is closer to 200 lb or 300 lb, maybe 500 lb with some rocks in
> > the way. (I mean it only takes one or two people to push a Jeep right)
> >
> > This will draw more like 100 or less amps.
> >
> > I think my Optima battery could handle getting me out of the water using
> > the winch.
> >
> > I 'know' 100% for sure my Optima battery can get me out of the water
> > using my starter and 2nd gear to walk it and still start the Jeep a bit
> > later.
> >
> > Now if you need the 'full' 9500 lb pulling to get out which will draw
> > 450 amps, you are in deep do do with a stalled engine unless you only
> > need a 1' pop out.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Hi Mike,
FYI Warn battery recommends a "battery with a minimum rating of 650
cold cranking amps is recommended to obtain peak performance from your
winch.": http://www.jonfund.com/technical/tec.../winchtech.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Pretty much any battery will handle a 450 amp load for a short time. My
> alternator is only 70A or so.
>
> I have had my cables smoking once when it stalled pulling a wheel and
> axle less hulk out of the bush. That was a serious draw and the
> battery/alternator had to work hard for a while after. It pulled the
> idle down for a while because of the draw on the alternator. I had to
> use my hand throttle.
>
> Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained.

TRANSLATION --> "easy pulls". jery ive stated many times that electric
winches do fine most of the time. the benefits of going hydraulic
(and ive said this many times) become obvious when you need a winch the
most....on long nasty tough pulls. for most situations an electric
winch will serve you just fine, ive _never_ said otherwise. hell, in
_most_ situations a come-along will serve you just fine. while it also
handles easy pulls, the hydraulic winch is designed and built for true
heavy duty/industrial usage and this is where youll benefit from them
most.