OT - Dallas police cars

I don't know if any of you have been following this.
Dallas uses Craown Vic police cars. Several have been rear-ended at high speeds
and the gas tanks exploded, killing the officer. Dallas sues Ford for "defective
design". Ford puts Dallas on "No sale" status (Why should we continue to sell
you vehicles if you think they are unsafe and sue us?).

Yesterday Dallas found the solution: They bought 20 Dodge Intrepids.

Texas Parts Guy

wrote:
> I don't know if any of you have been following this.
> Dallas uses Craown Vic police cars. Several have been rear-ended at high speeds
> and the gas tanks exploded, killing the officer. Dallas sues Ford for "defective
> design". Ford puts Dallas on "No sale" status (Why should we continue to sell
> you vehicles if you think they are unsafe and sue us?).
>
> Yesterday Dallas found the solution: They bought 20 Dodge Intrepids.
>
> Texas Parts Guy

I'm thinking the new Dodge Charger will quickly become the new cop car
of choice. RWD, V8, with way more power than the Vics. 4 doors, a back
seat and a trunk. Too bad the pics I've seen show the Charger as being
ugly...

and while we're going way OT, I'm starting to hassle GM Canada and
Transport Canada as to why the GTO is on the "banned" list from Canada.

So far, from riv.ca I've gotten a "it's not allowed, and I don't know
why" response.

Ray

"ray" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> I don't know if any of you have been following this.
>> Dallas uses Craown Vic police cars. Several have been rear-ended at high
>> speeds
>> and the gas tanks exploded, killing the officer. Dallas sues Ford for
>> "defective
>> design". Ford puts Dallas on "No sale" status (Why should we continue to
>> sell
>> you vehicles if you think they are unsafe and sue us?).
>>
>> Yesterday Dallas found the solution: They bought 20 Dodge Intrepids.
>>
>> Texas Parts Guy
>
> I'm thinking the new Dodge Charger will quickly become the new cop car of
> choice. RWD, V8, with way more power than the Vics. 4 doors, a back seat
> and a trunk. Too bad the pics I've seen show the Charger as being ugly...
>
> and while we're going way OT, I'm starting to hassle GM Canada and
> Transport Canada as to why the GTO is on the "banned" list from Canada.
>
> So far, from riv.ca I've gotten a "it's not allowed, and I don't know why"
> response.
>
> Ray

Ray, what are you talking about, the GTO is sold in canada! or are you
trying to import one to the US???

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:

> > and while we're going way OT, I'm starting to hassle GM Canada and
> > Transport Canada as to why the GTO is on the "banned" list from
> > Canada. So far, from riv.ca I've gotten a "it's not allowed, and I
> > don't know why" response.

> Ray, what are you talking about, the GTO is sold in canada!

The GTO is *not* sold in Canada, for it does not meet Canada Motor Vehicle
Safety Standards. Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) are
almost entirely identical to US Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.
The differences are few and minor.

The US bumper standard is 2.5 mph. The Canadian standard is 8 km/h = 5
mph. That means the Canadian standard is more stringent, but most US-spec
bumpers are built to the Canadian spec for common-market reasons. If you
scrutinize Transport Canada's vehicle importation eligibility list, you
see that most of the vehicles requiring bumper modification are from the
1980s and early '90s.

CMVSS 108 (lamps and reflective devices) requires Daytime Running Lamps,
while US FMVSS 108 merely *permits* them. Low beams, high beams, turn
signals or fog lamps can be wired as DRLs in Canada. This is not the
reason the GTO is not for sale here.

The only other differences between FMVSS and CMVSS requirements:

-CMVSS 208 allows but does not require airbags. FMVSS 208 requires
airbags. Virtually all Canadian-market vehicles have airbag systems
identical to their US-market counterparts.

-CMVSS 208 has never permitted passive seatbelts (motorized or
door-mounted); FMVSS 208 for a period of time in the early-mid '90s
required them if airbags were not present.

-Canada requires child seat anchorages, the US does not. This is not a
reason why the GTO would be forbidden; importation law permits the
aftermarket addition of the anchorages.

CMVSS 210:

-Has very slightly different allowable location range for seat belt
anchorages compared to FMVSS 210. The window of overlap between FMVSS and
CMVSS 210 is enormous, and this is very seldom the reason why a vehicle
might be compliant with one standard but not the other -- though it is
probably why the Pontiac GTO is not eligible for importation into Canada.

There is no provision in Canadian law for the original restraint system to
be modified to comply with CMVSS 208 and/or CMVSS 210; if the vehicle is
noncompliant as manufactured, the car cannot be sold or imported into
Canada until it is 15 model years old.

DS

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:
>
>
>>>and while we're going way OT, I'm starting to hassle GM Canada and
>>>Transport Canada as to why the GTO is on the "banned" list from
>>>Canada. So far, from riv.ca I've gotten a "it's not allowed, and I
>>>don't know why" response.
>
>
>>Ray, what are you talking about, the GTO is sold in canada!
>
>
> The GTO is *not* sold in Canada, for it does not meet Canada Motor Vehicle
> Safety Standards. Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) are

I am still awaiting any "official" Transport Canada wording on that.


> -CMVSS 208 has never permitted passive seatbelts (motorized or
> door-mounted); FMVSS 208 for a period of time in the early-mid '90s
> required them if airbags were not present.

The wife's Beretta has those stupid door mounted seatbelts. They do
unbuckle though - did the US spec ones not unbuckle? I vaguely recall
this being true.

> CMVSS 210:
>
> -Has very slightly different allowable location range for seat belt
> anchorages compared to FMVSS 210. The window of overlap between FMVSS and
> CMVSS 210 is enormous, and this is very seldom the reason why a vehicle
> might be compliant with one standard but not the other -- though it is
> probably why the Pontiac GTO is not eligible for importation into Canada.

Dang. That's the best reason I've heard yet. But I'm going to keep on
Transport Canada's butt until THEY tell me why. Like I said, so far
I've been told "you can't import one, but we don't know why."

Ray

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:
>
>> > and while we're going way OT, I'm starting to hassle GM Canada and
>> > Transport Canada as to why the GTO is on the "banned" list from
>> > Canada. So far, from riv.ca I've gotten a "it's not allowed, and I
>> > don't know why" response.
>
>> Ray, what are you talking about, the GTO is sold in canada!
>
> The GTO is *not* sold in Canada, for it does not meet Canada Motor Vehicle
> Safety Standards.

are we talking about the newer GTO? because I was just ( 1 month
ago )sitting in one in the dealership in Barrie, Ontario Canada... any
chance a few somehow slipped through??

a quick check of Pontiac Canada, doesn't list the gto either, hmmmm

Punch wrote:
> "Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
> n.umich.edu...
>
>>On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>and while we're going way OT, I'm starting to hassle GM Canada and
>>>>Transport Canada as to why the GTO is on the "banned" list from
>>>>Canada. So far, from riv.ca I've gotten a "it's not allowed, and I
>>>>don't know why" response.
>>
>>>Ray, what are you talking about, the GTO is sold in canada!
>>
>>The GTO is *not* sold in Canada, for it does not meet Canada Motor Vehicle
>>Safety Standards.
>
>
> are we talking about the newer GTO? because I was just ( 1 month
> ago )sitting in one in the dealership in Barrie, Ontario Canada... any
> chance a few somehow slipped through??
>
> a quick check of Pontiac Canada, doesn't list the gto either, hmmmm
>

Well, they'll have a hell of a time getting it insured:

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

GMCanada called me yesterday, where I reaffirmed that I want a GM
version of a BMW 3 series. (small, sporty, rwd, 4 seater.) Maybe a
Camaro or Firebird... or a GTO.

Turns out the bumpers are the problem with the GTO. That sucks,
especially because they could probably use the Catera or CTS parts to
bring the bumpers up to spec.

Ray

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:

> > The GTO is *not* sold in Canada, for it does not meet Canada Motor Vehicle
> > Safety Standards.
>
> are we talking about the newer GTO?

Yep, the '04-'05 model.

> because I was just ( 1 month ago )sitting in one in the dealership in
> Barrie, Ontario Canada... any chance a few somehow slipped through??

If you were to ask, you'd probably find it was a display model only, not
for sale.

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peppers
celery
garlic
soy sauce
salt pepper, etc
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breadcrumbs
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1 onion
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salt
pepper
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olive oil

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wrote:

> I don't know if any of you have been following this.
> Dallas uses Craown Vic police cars. Several have been rear-ended at high speeds
> and the gas tanks exploded, killing the officer. Dallas sues Ford for "defective
> design". Ford puts Dallas on "No sale" status (Why should we continue to sell
> you vehicles if you think they are unsafe and sue us?).
>
> Yesterday Dallas found the solution: They bought 20 Dodge Intrepids.
>
> Texas Parts Guy


I own an Intrepid (well, Eagle Vision, first-gen Intrepid twin). I love
Intrepids. But they'll never hold up as copcars- front drives cars never do.

Now if they'd bought 20 Magnums or waited for 20 Chargers, that would be
a potentially very different story. Especially if Chrysler goes back
to its old form and releases a true Police Spec version of the Charger,
as rumored. The old K-code police spec Mopars were genuinely different
from the standard production run, not just painted black-and-whiite.
Tons of extra welds and other goodies, as well as upgraded suspension
and brake components.