C.H. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:04:48 -0700, N8N wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > C.H. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:05:00 -0700, N8N wrote:
> >>
> >> The Lumina has been out of production for years. The new Malibu seems ok
> >> and in the price range of a new Cavalier you won't find much even from
> >> Japan, at least no 4-seat sedans.
> >>
> > Hyundai? Not Japanese but less expensive and more appealing.
>
> Less expensive but more junky. True horror-brakes, horrible quality,
> designed by a committee and only selling because some people are stupid
> enough to think that a 10 year warranty makes up for an unreliable POS.

Again, if I didn't know who you were talking about, I'd immediately
think of GM rather than Hyundai (well, I don't think GM offers a 10
year warranty.) That said, Hyundai has come a long way since they
first came to the US; their products aren't all that bad, all things
considered.

>
> >> The Jetta on the other hand has major reliability problems and I
> >> personally despise it, YMMV.
> >
> > Balls. It would be my pick of the group. Probably will outlast any two
> > of the other cars mentioned.
>
> Hahahahaha! I see how the Golfs and Boras (German Jetta) of my friends in
> Germany break. Engine and electronics problems galore. Thanks, reliability
> wise Id rather take a V6 Malibu than the turbo Jetta.

My experiences haven't been like that. Yeah, they had some supplier
issues with coil packs and window regulators but their fit and finish
as well as the feel and appearance of the interiors is a cut above, and
the handling is much better than either the US or Japanese competition.
The fact that they are still using the same basic engine, designed
back in the early 70's, for both gasoline and Diesel engines speaks to
the basic goodness of the design.


>
> >> And I have never seen a car more uninspired and boring than a Toyota
> >> Corolla.
> >>
> > At least it's competent, handles well, and is available with a decent
> > manual transmission. Probably more reliable than anything GM makes as
> > well.
>
> I can't say I like the Corolla's handling much. Of course if you love
> understeer you may think differently. Before you rip my head off, I don't
> like the handling of any FWD sedan much.

I'm not nuts about it either, and I actually agree with you. That said
I'd rather have a Corolla than a FWD GM sedan.

>
> >> If they really are trying they are failing miserably at it.
> >>
> > Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt anymore.
>
> That you are in denial is indeed true. Kudos for admitting it.

ummm... not exactly.

>
> > There's a reason people don't buy GM products - and it's not "bias" or
> > "hatred" much as you'd wish to call it that.
>
> Chevrolet is the best selling passenger car brand in America. GM has the
> largest market share of any manufacturer in the US. To put it quite
> bluntly, even in 2004 the numbers of Toyota (12.2%), Honda (8.2%) and
> Nissan (5.8%) together don't reach GM's market share (27.3%) even though
> SUV sales were in a slump.
>
> To claim that 'nobody buys GM' is plain stupid.
>

A lot *fewer* people have been buying GM recently than has been the
case in the past, that's a fact.

nate