On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 03:27:13 GMT, Ray > wrote:

>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:51:47 +0100, Yvan > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nedavno Mike Behnke pise:
>>>
>>>| Highly doubtful. In fact, probably worse.
>>>|
>>>| Bite the bullet and get the Factory Service Manual's.
>>>|
>>>| > I ordered directly from haynes.co.uk manual for both my Audi and
>>>| > BMW. Hope they are better than this one from '73 :-)
>>>
>>>I probably will.
>>
>>
>> I think there is some *online* service, don't remember the name
>> offhand, and they have your service manual *online.* You subscribe on
>> an annual fee basis; something like $25 a year or some such. Can't
>> remember the name, but, that is the way I would go.
>>
>> A -physical- shop manual weights 20 pounds, takes a day to put
>> together into the binders, and is a monstrosity. And unless you're
>> changing out the rod bearings on your pistons or something, it seems
>> to be a *bit* of overkill for most repairs you would make as a
>> hobbyist.
>>
>
>A computerized shop manual is a PITA to browse through.

Really

>I'm a computer guy, my machines are in the house. No PC in the garage
>yet. And I'm not touching my laptop after working on a car - way too
>greasy.

good point

>And a shop manual is pretty much ESSENTIAL for ODB-II diagnostic
>procedures.

Well I have a PIM manual that came with my scanner, and OBDII
diagnostic CD Roms, BUT, the translations of the codes are built Into
the 9145, so after entering your car made, model, and year, you get
the proper interpretation of the code right on the display of the
9145. No need for a manual to translate, although I have both the
manual and the CD Roms.

Lg


> Good luck diagnosing a P1039 with a Haynes manual that
>covers 4 engines over 9 years and 2 nameplates. (93-02 Camaro/Firebird
>for example.) The diagnostic section for ODB-II is probably thicker
>than the entire Haynes manual.
>
>Ray
>
>Ray