You still here? Slow day selling Scamsoil! And what temp does your tranny
run? at ambient temp of 100 degrees, around town?
> wrote in message
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> Hi Matt,
>
> I respect your caution about upgrading to a full synthetic ATF. God
> knows these trannys are very sensitive to fluid requirements, and
> everyone who has ever put Dexron Mercon in by mistake, or believed some
> idiot at a trans repair shop who said it was OK to put it in, "as long
> as a friction modifier like Lube-guard is added", immediately had TC
> shudder and slippage. Such would require an immediate full system
> flush, a new MOPAR filter (not a close but no cigar knockoff), and a
> complete refill with MOPAR ATF +3. All true.
>
> I know how you feel. The data. The data. Think about this though. How
> long were DCX's own TSB's on fluid (Trans OIL) for the A604 confusing
> and open to interpretation? I think their data is too often just profit
> driven bunkum.
>
> All I can tell you is this. I have had great results with full
> synthetic ATF in my A604. I knew right off I had done the right thing
> because it performs far better.
>
> It shifts way faster and firmer on WOT, like a properly installed shift
> kit would afford, and it shifts down perfectly too. Yet when driving
> "normal" with smooth light even acceleration, you can NOT feel it shift
> at all. I mean way waaaaay smoother than it did even when brand new. If
> the friction characteristics were not up to snuff, it wouldn't be able
> to do that, and you know it.
>
> It runs much cooler now too, both in stop and go traffic in hot
> weather, and when taking a beating on the highway. If the friction
> characteristics were off, it would heat up, even if I really was too
> stupid to sense if was slipping, or the shift timing was off.
>
> You know how these 4 speeds were designed to hang onto one gear while
> grabbing another, so they would have that "grocery getter smoothness",
> and how this means friction heat buildup. As you may know already. This
> is why a good shift kit can extend the life of these babies, IF DONE
> RIGHT. Yeah yeah yeah. I know. Most people can't install a shift kit
> right. Or they chose the wrong one and just wind up creating problems.
> But you know the idea behind getting one. Well now my A604 performs
> just as I told you above.
>
> I believe that this full synthetic enables the A604 to actually perform
> as it was intended to by the designers. In other words. I think they
> are a great design, and really the old ATF +3 was just not up to the
> job. Not really. You had to baby them to get a decent life span out of
> them, by avoiding WOT and driving conservatively.
>
> But for far too many people, over many years, [there is plenty of data
> on that!] driving conservatively and using only Mopar 7176 +3, Mopar
> filters and following their fluid & filter change schedule, did not get
> them the lifespan of the 3 speeds, and other car manufacturers
> transmissions.
>
> Thousands of complaints over the years by A604 owners has given it bad
> reputation. But it wasn't the design. It was the ATF. The fact that DCX
> is pushing their new semi synthetic +4, only proves they knew it too.
> The A604/41Te4 design is a marvel! It was ahead of it's time, IF you
> used Mopar 7176 +3, but not if you were using one of the full
> synthetics.
>
> Honestly Matt. Full synthetics like Redline C+ and Amsoil ATF have been
> around a lot longer than Mopar +4. Those who for years have been using
> these full synthetics in their's, with great results, have all along
> been denounced as liars trying to peddle snake oil though. It is a
> MYTH that only Mopar ATF should be used.
>
> True, Mopar +4 is better than their old +3, but it is only a semi
> synthetic. It is a far less robust than a 100% full synthetic. I use it
> in my A604, for the same reasons that I use Mobil 1 in my engine.
>
> I swear to you I don't sell the stuff Matt. In fact if I were you, I
> would go with the Redline C+, because they have a better reputation,
> and lots of race teams wont use anything else. I only have experience
> with Amsoil ATF though, and I do know from experience that it is great
> stuff. So personally I would buy Amsoil again.
>
> I trust Valvoline pretty much. I mean they do have a reputation to
> uphold, and there are liability issues, but they say they have a +4. I
> don't know if it is just a copy of Mopar's semi synthetic +4 or not
> though. I suggest you try one of the full synthetics.
>
> Or you can believe the myths. Like if you disconnect the air box on a
> Chrysler/MMC 3.0 and use a CAI instead, then your computer will burn
> up! People believed that myth for years. But experience, seat of the
> pants data not driven by profit, my own included, proves that to be
> untrue. It's the same with this ATF issue Matt.
>
>
>
> Steviepoo,
>
> Some of us still call the 41Te4 (not "41Te" as you said by the way)
> A604's out of habit, because we have been Chrysler owners a little
> longer.
>
> One more thing Stevie. You really can be a nasty bitchy little whiner.
> So I don't know if you are really a *man* or not. Balls *or* no balls.
>