"Joe S" > wrote in message
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> Steve W. wrote:
>> "Joe S" > wrote in message
>> news:f6D1e.32550$oa6.15933@trnddc07...
>>
>>>Don Stauffer in Minneapolis wrote:
>>>
>>>>Marco Licetti wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a.. GM's prototype stationary fuel cell unit already generates
>>
>> power
>>
>>>>>for GM's New York fuel cell development facility.
>>>>>
>>>>>a.. In only two years, the power density of GM's fuel cell stack
>>>>>technology has increased tenfold, while costs have decreased
>>>>>proportionately.
>>>>>
>>>>>a.. GM's revolutionary fuel cell vehicle, Hy-wire, has no internal
>>>>>combustion engine, instrument panel, brake or accelerator pedals -
>>
>> but
>>
>>>>>it does have ample power supplied by a GM fuel cell that runs on
>>>>>hydrogen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So? There has long been a NUMBER of ways for vehicles to run on
>>>>hydrogen. Hydrogen Diesel goes back to about 1900. People made
>>
>> cars
>>
>>>>that would run on hydrogen half a century ago. It is no problem
>>
>> coming
>>
>>>>up with ways to use hydrogen if you have it. Problem is getting a
>>
>> good
>>
>>>>source of hydrogen. In spite of some claims to contrary here,
>>
>> hydrogen
>>
>>>>is not a viable SOURCE of energy. It is a legitimate transportation
>>>>fuel, if we can find a fuel source to power conversion of hydrogen
>>
>> from
>>
>>>>hydrogen-containing compounds. But that is the big problem right
>>
>> now,
>>
>>>>not how to use the hydrogen if you have it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Here's the starting point...gasoline/diesel requires petroleum. The
>>
>> job
>>
>>>is to develop a way to power vehicles that does not require petroluem.
>>>
>>>Hydrogen fuel cell technology is one. Others are have been and are
>>
>> being
>>
>>>explored.
>>
>>
>> WRONG. Hydrogen is NOT a fuel source.
>
> Wrong what? I didn't say "Hydrogen is a fuel source". I said that hydrogen
> fuel cell technology is one way to power vehicles that does not *require*
> petroleum.
>
> > It is made from other sources.
>> Currently 99 percent of it is made from TADA --- Petroleum, AKA LPG and
>> Natural gas. NO other source to produce it from for lower cost in large
>> enough quantities to even be useful. ALL other methods take more energy
>> and money to produce the Hydrogen than the Hydrogen can ever return.
>
> Is it your contention, then, that billions of dollars are being spent on
> research without viable plans for production and distribution of hydrogen
> by the expected to-market date of 2012?
>
> If you know otherwise, what's your source? I'd love to read about how all
> this exhaustive R&D that's going on that will be of no use at all (because
> you don't personally know how they plan to provide the fuel).
>
>
> --
> Joe


Yup, pretty much a diversionary tactic by the car companies to APPEAR green.