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> > > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
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> > > > > > > maxpower wrote:
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> > > > > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
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> > > > > > > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine
up
> > till
> > > > > > > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and
when
> > she
> > > > came
> > > > > > > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns
off
> > as it
> > > > > > > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the
soloniod or
> > > > noise
> > > > > > > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery
and no
> > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the
> > lights
> > > > did
> > > > > > > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the
same,
> > no
> > > > > > > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the
Ignition
> > > > Time
> > > > > > > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the
fuse
> > box
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse
in
> > thee
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the engine?)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor
may
> > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > problem, no change.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic
> > trans or
> > > > > > manual
> > > > > > > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a
curb
> > and
> > > > > > knocked
> > > > > > > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the
> > trans.
> > > > > > > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12
volts
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine
check
> > 12
> > > > > > volts at
> > > > > > > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > > > > > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the
starter
> > > > relay at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in
park/neutral
> > > > > > emergency
> > > > > > > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > > > > > Chrysler Tech
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible
that
> > she
> > > > > > > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a
curb.
> > Just
> > > > > > > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have
to
> > look
> > > > > > > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is
> > damaged?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic
> > > > schematic
> > > > > > > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what
parts
> > are
> > > > > > > involved in starting the car.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing
the
> > > > switch??
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
> > > > > bypass the neutral switch?
> > > > >
> > > > yes one of them, that vehicle is 12 years old, I cant remember what
> > other
> > > > relays are there. if you have no idea what im talking about I would
not
> > jump
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > Chrysler Tech
> > >
> > > I just checked the neutral switch visually - it hasn't been touched
(it
> > > is too high up to get hit by something without hitting the
transmission
> > > also).
> > >
> > > I noticed something else when trying to start it. As I said the head
> > > lights do not dim when the key is turned to start the car, but the
> > > display on the radio (factory installed) does turn off which I am
doing
> > > it. This should mean that the problem is after the keyswitch. What is
> > > next in the circuit after the keyswitch (besides wire)?
> > >
> >
> > Is the plastic cover that covers the lower column melted in any ways? if
it
> > is or it isn't you may want to take it off for inspection.
> >
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech
>
> No there is no melting on the cover. Speaking of heat, when we towed
> the car home, I tried to start it a few more times then I looked for a
> fuse in the owners manual, the only thing I could find was the ignition
> time delay relay. This was very hot to the touch. I replaced it (but it
> didn't help) and now it isn't hot.

That part you replaced is supposed to be hot, it is the time relay for the
lite that shines on the ignition key at nite and the key halo.
>
> I picked up the chiltons manual that has the wiring schematic for the
> car. As you said, there is a brown wire that goes from the Starter
> relay on the left shock housing to the starter. If I unplug that relay
> and apply power direct from the batter it should engage the starter
> correct?

Ok, now your really gonna get lost with that manual. and yes if you unplug
the relay, touch 12 volts to the brown wire it should start. if it does it
is somewhere from the ign switch to the neutral safety switch
>
> I don't want to replace parts forever, but out of these parts that are
> in the ingition system, which do you think would be the most likely to
> fail (I already replaced the starter):
>
> 1. Starter Relay
> 2. Neutral Sensor
>
the Neutral safety switch