"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
...
> >no, not all engines are the same, if you drive a W-8 back to back with a
V-8
> >the W-8 will not be as smooth, it has odd firing sequence.
>
> What the hell does the engine's firing sequence have to do with
smoothness?
>
> >no on the V-12 vs. W-12, the V-12 is second most if not smoothest engine
on the planet
>
> What kind of B.S. generality is that? WHICH V12? The MB one? The BMW one?
The Lamborghini one?
>
> > when you take to buzzy VR-6s and put them at a weird angle
>
> The W12 uses the same 10 degree angle that the VR engines do.
>
> > they need to put different dampeners on them when a V-12 wouldn't need
thisappliance.
>
> I believe MB's V12 uses balance shafts, actually.
>
> >yes there are many differences in terms of performance for V-12 vs. W-12
> >just look at the charts.
>
> Again, a generality. MB's V12 outperforms the W12 but it's fitted with
Twin
> Turbochargers so what do you expect?
>
> >if you look I said besides packing efficiency what are the major benefits
of
> >a "W" engine.
> >
>
> It doesn't matter how you worded it, you were wrong.

I think Byron and Toby answered your first question. I would say the vast
majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
didn't answer the question.