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Old July 14th 05, 03:40 PM
Jim Yanik
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Dave Head > wrote in
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> On 14 Jul 2005 00:42:21 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2005 15:19:36 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:

>>
>>
>>>>> Since this "study" has the
>>>>> aim of getting cell phone use in cars banned altoghether,
>>>>
>>>>Prove this,please;That the "Aim" of the study was to *get* a CP ban.
>>>>I say the "aim" of the study was to find out how much of a
>>>>distraction CP use is while driving.
>>>
>>> Its obvious. The only thing for which the data is of value is for
>>> use in getting a cell phone ban.

>>
>>What about making driving safer?
>>Even if a ban does not get enacted,people may realized how much a
>>distraction CP use while driving really is. MAYBE.
>>Some have to have a collision before they come to their senses,some
>>not even then.

>
> There is that, I suppose. But I think the study was really
> politically motivated for the purpose I stated.


Sounds like paranoia.
What basis do you have for the IIHS to desire to ban CPs?
(other that the fact it increases hazardous driving)


>
>>>>> And if cell phones are banned in cars, how many people will simply
>>>>> give up cell phones? A lot, probably.
>>>>
>>>>So,who cares? That's their choice.
>>>
>>> You might, if you have an accident on a not-well-traveled road and
>>> the next person, and only person that will be along that way in the
>>> next 1/2 hour, does not have a cell phone because they decided it
>>> wasn't worth $50 a month to have one that they couldn't use _most_
>>> of the time. Meanwhile, U are trapped in the vehicle and bleeding
>>> profusely.

>>
>>Heck,they could HAVE a CP with themn and still decide not to "get
>>involved"

>
> Yeah, but that statistic will not be affected by a cell phone ban in
> cars. Such people would be useless for the situation with or without
> such a law. They can be ignored for the purposes of the argument.
>
>>.And they COULD use it "most of the time",just as long as they are
>>NOT DRIVING while using it.

>
> Well, when _I'm_ not driving in the car, there's usually a _landline_
> around that I can use, and it doesn't come with a $50 a month charge,
> either. IOW, when I'm _not_ driving, then I mostly _don't_ need a
> cell phone to communicate.


How do all those incoming calls you mentioned FIND you then?
>
>>>>And they would not be "banned in cars",USING them WHILE DRIVING
>>>>would be prohibited,unless there were *justification*,like an
>>>>accident or serious crime committed
>>>
>>> Clue - I'm not paying $50 a month just to carry it around, not being
>>> able to use it, in case there's an accident to report.

>>
>>FALSEHOOD;that a CP "ban" would prevent people from making an
>>emergency call while driving.

>
> No, your statement is false, because some people would simply
> non-renew their contracts and sell the phone.


Again,so what? That would be their choice.
I believe that the vast majority would still keep their CPs,bcause they
would still use them a lot.You seem to believe that the only reason for a
CP is to talk -while you're driving somewhere-,and it's NOT.Maybe for
YOU,but not everyone else.

> They wouldn't _have_
> the thing with them. And even if they did, and thought they would
> only use it in an emergency, the battery would be dead when they went
> to acutally use it if they weren't using it routinely and therefore
> keeping the battery charged.
>>
>>
>>> I'm going to
>>> cancel or non-renew the contract and sell the damn thing...

>>
>>That's YOUR choice.

>
> Yep, and that will not be a unique choice. Lotsa people will do that.
> Those that do, who roll up on an accident or an emergency, will not
> have a cell phone with them, or they will not have a _working_ cell
> phone with them ('cuz they haven't charged the battey for the last 5
> years) and that accident won't get reported as soon as it otherwise
> could have. The delay could be critical.
>
>>>>> and removing cell phones from society,
>>>>
>>>>Which no one is trying to do with these bans.
>>>
>>> Which will likely happen to some extent as some people find that $50
>>> or so a month is too much to pay just to have it on the rare
>>> occasion that they are not in the car and also away from a landline
>>> phone,

>>
>>"Rare occasion",like they spend most of their lives in their cars.
>>GET REAL.

>
> It _is_ a rare occasion that I am not in the car and do not have a
> landline phone available to make a call. This area - everything is
> far from everything. All one gets done is drive, drive, drive. I
> dislike the area, and this is one of the big reasons. When you get in
> the car here, you're generally looking at a 1/2 hr trip each way.


YOU are not the average,then.

>
>>Most people will still keep their CPs,they still too useful.

>
> If 10% give 'em up, what effect will that have on emergency situations
> that are delayed in reporting them? There _will_ be an effect - no
> question. Its just how many lives are lost for lack of a timely
> response vs. how many lives are lost due to cell phone induced
> accidents.


Oh,get real.Prohibiting use -while driving- is not going to have that sort
of effect.
If it's such an emergency,the person should be stopping anyways,to render
assistance.And you seem to think you would be the only one passing by,that
other cars with maybe more then one occupant would not have a CP to use.

Besides,the major problem is not using a CP while out on the open
highways,it's using them in URBAN areas with higher traffic
densities.That's where a CP/driving prohibition would be necessary,and
enforced.

>
>>> I mean, the way it is now, if someone with a cellphone calls someone
>>> else with a cellphone, chances are _one_ of them is in a car.

>>
>>Not necessarily.There's no basis for this assumption.

>
> I base it on my personal experience.


Again,YOU are not the average.You just think so.
>
>>> That
>>> would mean that the vast majority of cell calls would not result in
>>> a conversation.

>>
>>Unfounded assumption.

>
> _Most_ of my calls consist of one or the other of us are driving a
> car. I can't be all that unique, nor can the people I talk to.


Perhaps you are.I think so.
>
>>> I doubt,out of maybe 200 or so calls I've made or
>>> received this year up to now,

>>
>>More than 6 MONTHS (~180 days)and you've only made or received 200
>>calls? AFAIK,most people make far more calls than that.

>
> I got to thinking - I think I probably have to revise it downward.
> Didn't realize that until I looked and saw that the last call I
> received was July 4, and this is the 13th. Last call I made was July
> 9. I probably have only had 100 calls this year so far. I don't use
> it all that much.


Then you would benefit more with a pre-paid like Trac-Fone;that is what I
use.You probably would save a lot of money.

And you just admitted that you "don't use it that much",so it would not be
that great a loss to you.For those few calls,you CAN wait until you stop
somewhere,or use a landline.
>
>>> that I've had any more than 5 of them
>>> where one or the other of us has not been in a car. Even if I could
>>> put up with the restriction, I probably _still_ couldn't talk to
>>> anyone I usually talk to, 'cuz they would be driving and couldn't
>>> answer. How valuable is that? Not very.
>>>

>>
>>What,you live in your car,always on the road?

>
> The car is about the only place I don't have a phone available unless
> I have a cell phone along. Most everywhere else, I can use a pay
> phone, or the phone on my desk at work, or the phone at home, or the
> courtesy phone in the health club, etc. But yeah, I'm on the road _a
> lot_. I put on about 35K miles a year.
>
>>And you neglect the advantages of having a CP in case of
>>breakdown,emergancy,etc.

>
> There's still a thing called CB radio, which does _not_ come with a
> $50 a month charge, and you _can_ blab your ass off all the way down
> the road and nobody's thinking about banning them. And that's
> assuming you don't have some other kind of 2-way radio.
>
> Dave Head
>


Again,you neglect the benefits of an inexpensive CP service like
TracFone,for limited usage.And having a CB is no guarantee that you will
connect with someone who can help you.

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Jim Yanik
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