"LOL! Nice pun. Reminds me of the time Johnny Carson said that "Ewel
(sp?) Gibbon's (environut of the 70's) idea of a good time was eating
the crotch out of a pine tree". 8^)..."

I remember that particular show. That was funny! When he died, the joke
going around was that he choked on a pine cone.



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| Sparky wrote:
|
| > Bill Putney wrote:
| >
| >> Abeness wrote:
| >>
| >>> vince garcia wrote:
| >>>
| >>>> I've got a good friend who's irritated that laws have been passed
that
| >>>> give people the right to forbid his going into their places of
business
| >>>> because he likes to walk around barefoot. He feels he's being
| >>>> discriminated aginst, and you know what? He is!
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> I believe that business owners have the right to control the
| >>> "character" (for lack of the right word at this hour) of their
| >>> establishment, but I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the legal details.
| >>> I wouldn't want my customers to walk in when two people were sucking
| >>> on each other, for example. That's not the environment I'd want in my
| >>> business. But the line is a difficult one to navigate: some might
| >>> argue that "flamboyant" homosexuals would be offensive to their
| >>> customers, just as white folks in times past argued that blacks in
| >>> their establishments would be offensive. Times change, thankfully,
| >>> and justice must prevail.
| >>>
| >>>> You're living in fantasy land. You do NOT have "freedom of choice".
| >>>> "Freedom of choice" is nowhere in the constitution.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> No, reread what I wrote: I was saying that one has the personal
| >>> freedom of choice to not live as a homosexual. Of course it's more
| >>> complicated than that. There is clear evidence that homosexuality for
| >>> many is simple the way the brain is wired, in which case legislating
| >>> against homosexuality is akin to legislating against people based on
| >>> their skin color--it's just the way they were born, and how could
| >>> they possibly choose otherwise.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> My brain is wired for dogwood trees. I want you to vote to allow me
| >> to marry my dogwood tree with all the rights and privileges.
| >>
| >>>> "If two guys and three women want to enter into one 'marriage', what
| >>>> right does anyone have to tell them that they can't?! They're not
| >>>> hurting anyone. We should respect their commitment to each other
| >>>> even if
| >>>> we, ourselves, wouldn't go the same route. No one has the right to
| >>>> inflict their own morality on someone else!"
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> You have a point here. ;-)
| >>>
| >>> In truth, you are right that society determines what it will and will
| >>> not allow in terms of social mores. I suspect that economic impact
| >>> would be a significant guiding factor in such considerations. Just
| >>> think of the health insurance lobby's reaction when confronted by
| >>> your hypothesis!
| >>>
| >>>> Discrimination happens every day, from restricting 10 year-olds from
| >>>> driving, to preventing private citizens from owning Nukes. Only
people
| >>>> who don't understand the law and the constitution believe
| >>>> discrimination
| >>>> is always unconstitutional.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> Don't be silly. Both of your examples are clearly a matter of public
| >>> safety. As for political campaigning as a gov't employee, the issue
| >>> is favoritism and corruption in public service. We're trying to
| >>> prevent abuse of power with these laws.
| >>>
| >>>> Otherwise, yeah, it'd offend me. But that's life. That's how the
system
| >>>> works. Everyone doesn't have "freedom of choice" to do whatever the
| >>>> hell
| >>>> they want. Society---not the individual--gets to decide what is and
IS
| >>>> NOT acceptable behavior and practice.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> You are quite right. Sexuality, however, as far as I'm concerned, is
| >>> (or should be in an ideal world) a private matter. I don't want to
| >>> see heterosexuals OR homosexuals sucking on each other in public. I
| >>> don't want to see mostly-naked people in advertising at the bus stop.
| >>> And I sure don't want to see jiggling tits in cartoons on TV
| >>> (couldn't believe what I saw the other day). We don't allow public
| >>> "fornication" by anyone.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> Although that is being pushed for by some also.
| >>
| >>> But that has nothing to do with whether people should have a means to
| >>> consecrate and/or formalize their unions when they choose to do so.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> I see. So you *ARE* for my right to "marry", with government
| >> sanction, encouragement, and recognition, my beloved dogwood tree -
| >> after all - that's the way my brain is wired, and you can't prove
| >> otherwise.
| >
| >
| > KNOTHEAD!
|
| LOL! Nice pun. Reminds me of the time Johnny Carson said that "Ewel
| (sp?) Gibbon's (environut of the 70's) idea of a good time was eating
| the crotch out of a pine tree". 8^)
|
| Bill Putney
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