"Rob" > wrote in message
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> Huw wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>The just goes to show how closely cars are rated today for build
>>>quality by their owners. The best has a rate 1.39 defects per
>>>car and the worst 3.97 and the average of only 2.37. If one
>>>subscribes to J D Powers service they would see the failures are
>>>mostly minor in nature, such as squeaks and rattles
>>>
>>>Looks much different when presented as a list than if shown, as
>>>it should be, as a percentage of failures. The best as just over
>>>98% trouble free, the average just under 98% trouble free, and
>>>the worst as just under 97% trouble free. That is what we see
>>>in our business, as well.
>>>
>>>All manufactures are building good vehicles today that will
>>>easily run to 200K, trouble free, if given the proper preventive
>>>maintenance. The only real difference among them is style and
>>>price. Your chance of getting a good one are basically 8 out of
>>>9. The change of getting one not up to snuff is minor 1% to 2%
>>>since they all have a failure rate of at least 1%, that is why
>>>they all offer a warranty.
>>>
>>>Why some will spend 20% or 30% more to buy a comparable vehicle,
>>>of a certain brand over another, just in the hope that the ONE
>>>they get is not one of the 1% to 2%, always seemed like extremely
>>>poor gambling odds to me
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's the way I see it too. I did not consider it much of a gamble to
>> buy a new Range Rover and I have been rewarded by the most reliable
>> vehicle over the first eight months that I have ever owned. In fact it is
>> way ahead of my Toyota Land Cruiser over the same period which had a
>> [difficult to sort] wheel alignment problem and needed a new fog lamp and
>> drivers seatbelt in the same timeframe.
>>
>> Huw
> 200k are u nuts .... motors have such short pistons in them here in the
> cold ares like canada the motor suffer from piston slap (slight knocking
> noise untill motor warms up) as soon as 60000 miles....

We also use block heaters up here in Canada on cold nights. I frequently
hear 10+ year old Plymouth Acclaims with 300 000km+ tapping away from piston
slap (when warm) no problem. Piston slap is usually more of an annoyance
than anything major.

> my dads 200 intrepid with 2.7 mits engine broke a timing chain guide !
> 110000 kilometers thank god the chain stayed on or it would have been more
> than the 600 dollars of parts that i installed..... just worked on a 1991
> buick today frame is about to fall apart from rust just in front of the
> rear trailing arms to the rear suspension.

14 year old car.

> dont tell me they build cars better.... just imagine how long a mid 70's
> motor would have lasted if they all had the advantages of modern fuel
> infection.

And how the body wouldn't.