> gpsman said in rec.autos.driving:
> Stop means stop. I don't see what might be so difficult to understand
> about that. If a driver is paying attention he should be able to
> easily identify a stale green and should expect it to turn red... since
> they so often do.

So, if RLR is such a problem, why not find a solution to the problem
that doesn't involve highway robbery? (See: http://tinyurl.com/j8llo
scroll to the part about increasing yellow light timing and its
corresponding reduction in RLR) Unless, ofcourse, you stan to benefit
financially from such highway robbery...

The fact is that revenue starved (or just plain greedy) juristictions
tamper with traffic lights to inflate the number of violators and the
amount of revenue they get.

And before you ask, see

http://tinyurl.com/fqmdh

and http://tinyurl.com/j8llo

and http://tinyurl.com/ebbl4 (scroll down to point 4)

And last, but not least, there is this little burg where I live where
not a a week after the first red light scamera want live, the mayor
wanted to spend $35 000 on this: http://tinyurl.com/l46o6

(article reproduced below the .sig) if you can see the article on the
website w/o registration, there is a nice pic of da mayr standing next
to da stump.



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Massive oak may live anew

Mon, Jul 10, 2006

City may turn tree into sculpture of historical figure

By KEITH LAING

The Brunswick News

The city of Brunswick is contemplating giving an oak tree felled during
a K Street sewer repair project new life.

Mayor Bryan Thompson said the city is considering hiring a professional
sculptor to carve the fully grown tree that had once shaded K Street
between Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Amherst Street into a
community landmark that celebrates the lives of prominent Georgians.


Mayor Bryan Thompson says the city of Brunswick is considering hiring a
professional sculptor to turn a 180,000 pound oak tree that was removed
during a sewer repair project into a landmark that celebrates the lives
of prominent Georgians. (James Nix/The Brunswick News)
The tree weighs more than 180,000 pounds.

Among those being considered to be commemorated are Georgia founder
James Oglethorpe, civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. and poet
Sidney Lanier. The project is expected to cost about $35,000.

Neighborhood residents expressed displeasure when the tree was removed
late last year.

Thompson said the sculpture would be the city's way of apologizing to
them.

"That tree should have never come down, but we now have the opportunity
to bring it back in an altered form, re-done in a way that should last
indefinitely," he said.

He added that the sculpture would be a welcome addition to the city
landscape.

"There would be nothing else like it in the community," Thompson said.
"We think it's going to be embraced."

A former artist himself, Thompson said that the key to making the
project successful would be allowing the effected neighborhood to
participate in the tree's renaissance.

He said he hopes Pennslyvania-based artist Joe King will be able to do
more than carve the tree while he is here.

"I like the idea of being able to use the artist to teach wood carving
classes so that it's more than somebody coming in, carving the tree up
and there it is," he said.

King agreed to offer his expertise to the community during a
teleconference with Thompson and City Manager Roosevelt Harris last
week. He also expressed an enthusiasm for the project.

"It's a very exciting project," King said. "It's nice to be able to
salvage something that's almost like a piece of history."