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> "JP Roberts" > wrote in message
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> > "C.R. Krieger" > escribió en el mensaje
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> > > "JP Roberts" > wrote in message
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> > > While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
> > > there ...
> >
> > If it's really slippery, and given the same driver and tyres and similar
> > engines, Quattro still beats your Xi.
>
> Uh ... yeah; whatever. BTW, I don't have an 'Xi. It's an '88 535is.
> RWD. LSD. If it's *really* slippery, it's a Jeep Grand Cherokee ...
> because the Audi won't start!

With the weight of so much experience on your back, it's plain to see you've
got behind the times in this aspect. The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a thing of
the past! Knowledgeable people talk Tuareg, Cayenne, Range Rover, and
Discovery, when efficiency is concerned - not that I am one of those
The Audi will start, but then again, so will your 535 if pulled by a Land
Rover Defender!

>
> > > And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
> > > events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
> > > does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
> > > of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.
> >
> > And some other ones of us know that if you go drifting on an M3, which
is my
> > point, and what really good drivers and real BMWs are best at, my
argument
> > still holds perfectly true.
>
> *Drifting*? WTF are you talking about? Either it's that 'Rice
> Rocket' trend from Japan (for which a response is beneath my dignity)
> or the last book you read on performance driving was written a decade
> before Mario Andretti won a world championship. I don't know if I
> qualify for your definition of a "really good driver", but I *do*
> instruct for BMW and Audi club driving schools. You don't 'drift' an
> M3! If you do, you're taking your life in your hands because the
> recovery runs a surprisingly high probability of snap rolling the car!
> I've been directly involved in racing and speed events since about
> 1988 and my experience says that your argument is diametrically
> opposed to fact.

I will never doubt how good a driver you may be, because I live miles apart
from where you are and much as I'd like to meet you, this is quite unlikely.
Oh, well, I seem to remember you call this "tailback trailing whatnot", only
I've seen people who do it for a very long time and even on the wet! I
remember this as something really impressive.

>
> > > Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
> > > Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
> > > of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
> > > AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
> > > old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
> > > found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
> > > the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
> > > ran. ;^)
> >
> > Quite possibly true, but Audis may still probably be the safest of all
of
> > those.
>
> A stunning non sequitur. Even if it weren't a hopelessly desperate
> attempt to change the subject, *who the hell cares*? Driving *any*
> car is inherently unsafe! My BMW doesn't have *any airbags* - and I
> *like it* that way! So why don't you just stay home while those of
> who know what it is to *enjoy* driving (something *not* from
> Ingolstadt or Neckarsulm or stuffed with more high explosives than a
> fireworks display) do so? Here's something for you to chew on: BMW
> 507.

Why change the subject? I used to drive an Alfa 75 Quadrifoglio V6 about and
I must admit I've never had so much fun, not either when I tried a 325i.
Still, I wouldn't replace my Audi with any BMW that was not an M3 (a pure
joy) or a 330xd (one of the best all-rounders). My enjoyment is better
fulfilled when I see many aggressive BMW drivers can't catch up on a really
winding mountain pass even though they have bigger engines. Yeah, maybe the
feeling is not the same as that in the BMW behind me, but guess who's got
the biggest smile on their face?

> --
> C.R. Krieger
> Life's too short to drive boring cars.