"JP Roberts" > wrote in message >...
> "C.R. Krieger" > escribió en el mensaje
> om...
> > "JP Roberts" > wrote in message
> >
> > While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
> > there ...
>
> If it's really slippery, and given the same driver and tyres and similar
> engines, Quattro still beats your Xi.

Uh ... yeah; whatever. BTW, I don't have an 'Xi. It's an '88 535is.
RWD. LSD. If it's *really* slippery, it's a Jeep Grand Cherokee ...
because the Audi won't start!

> > And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
> > events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
> > does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
> > of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.
>
> And some other ones of us know that if you go drifting on an M3, which is my
> point, and what really good drivers and real BMWs are best at, my argument
> still holds perfectly true.

*Drifting*? WTF are you talking about? Either it's that 'Rice
Rocket' trend from Japan (for which a response is beneath my dignity)
or the last book you read on performance driving was written a decade
before Mario Andretti won a world championship. I don't know if I
qualify for your definition of a "really good driver", but I *do*
instruct for BMW and Audi club driving schools. You don't 'drift' an
M3! If you do, you're taking your life in your hands because the
recovery runs a surprisingly high probability of snap rolling the car!
I've been directly involved in racing and speed events since about
1988 and my experience says that your argument is diametrically
opposed to fact.

> > Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
> > Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
> > of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
> > AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
> > old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
> > found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
> > the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
> > ran. ;^)
>
> Quite possibly true, but Audis may still probably be the safest of all of
> those.

A stunning non sequitur. Even if it weren't a hopelessly desperate
attempt to change the subject, *who the hell cares*? Driving *any*
car is inherently unsafe! My BMW doesn't have *any airbags* - and I
*like it* that way! So why don't you just stay home while those of
who know what it is to *enjoy* driving (something *not* from
Ingolstadt or Neckarsulm or stuffed with more high explosives than a
fireworks display) do so? Here's something for you to chew on: BMW
507.
--
C.R. Krieger
Life's too short to drive boring cars.