Yeah but he gets plenty of heat on the inside of the car so I would rule out
the water pump.
I would also guess he has not had the heater recall either. I don't
recommend the recall in areas that get cold. <g>

I am thinking that the fan is not coming on, or there is no air flowing
through the radiator.
Maybe the radiator fan switch is bad, or the fuse, or the wiring, or the fan
motor itself.
He has a new thermostat but I would ask if the radiator does get hot or not.

"Simplstupd" > wrote in message
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> If it sits in the driveway and idles how long does it take to overheat?
> Does the fan come on?
>
> I'm leaning towards a bad water pump.
>