fbloogyudsr wrote:
>> Vincent Wilcox wrote:
>>
>>> I apologise in advance for the crosspost but would like the input of
>>> our esteemed US counterparts in this discussion. I have of course
>>> included as closely as I can match the same or similar two groups. It
>>> is basically a question of Montana providing the hard evidence that
>>> is needed to drop speed limits, below is my initial take on the
>>> situation and a repost to the above, this is opinion and I look
>>> forward to views.
>
>
> You don't state your opinion very well, your post is very disorganized
> and incoherent. I'm guessing that you want lower speed limits and
> want to find statistics that say that lower speed limits save lives. That
> is demonstrably not the case, in terms of fatality *RATE*.
>

Its true, long night, sorry. No I am looking/thinking more about
compliance. Countries where the majority comply seem to do better than
countries where compliance is lower. I'd love to see the figures for
Mogadishu.

Think Greece versus Sweden for example, population of Greece 11M Sweden
9M but which country do you suppose is better at obeying simple things
like limits?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=U&sta...003.pdf&e=9707

>>> Montana had a reduction in fatalities from 1995 to 1996 of 11% the
>>> year the speed limit was removed. It is noted that the fatalities in
>>> the later part of the year are reduced[1], what time in 95 were the
>>> restrictions removed?
>>>
>>> Why did Montana have a 31% increase in fatalities for the period
>>> 1996/97[1]?
>
>
> It was a blip. They immediately went back down the next year. See:
> http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/finalr...Fatality_Rates
>

Whats the margin here? It looks like Montana has barely changed over the
entire period.

>
>>> The question is this, is Montana representative of the rest of the
>>> world?
>
>
> No. They are not even representative of the US. Note that the fatality
> rate is different for MT than the majority of the US (see my reference.)
> Since about 2000 they have had a 75mph limit, with very poor compliance
> (I've driven there, and it's more like 85mph, as is Arizona, where the
> fatality rate is in line with the US average.)

Poor compliance. Greece versus Sweden?

>
> Please read in the report you posted: the rural (non-interstate)
> roads have a very high fatality count and rate. Speeds on interstates
> haven't affected the rate, and in fact it is now lower than in the period
> before '97, in line with the rest of the US.

But not lower than earlier figures. A plateau? Why?

>
> Speed limit compliance (especially on interstates - motorways for
> you UK guys) in the US is not very good. The WA DOT publishes data
> showing that:

Ok.

> http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/finalr...Fatality_Rates
>
>
> Also, please note the section in the report you mention that talks
> about *HOW* speed limits should be set (on page 5: FHWA). There
> is no way to align your opinion with demonstrated facts from scientific
> studies that support these guidelines.
>
> Floyd


Fine, but which states employ the most effective/draconian (depending
upon perspective) enforcement? How has that affected things?