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Old February 25th 05, 05:58 AM
ppp-man
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You seemed convinced to do it - just do it. Why ask questions and argue
about.

Personally, if I want my tires siped, I buy them as designed that way.


"GRL" > wrote in message
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> Never said it did. That's what my question arises from; the lack of
> independent reports on dry road handling. Also, Hoosier is independent of
> the machine manufacturer as are a large percentage (maybe most, I'd have
> to look again) of the citations on the manufacturer's web site. No axe to
> grind.
>
> Further, BMW hypes how good their cars are on their web site. According to
> you that is of no value. Self-serving. OK, let's say that they cite
> favorable reviews in the motoring press. That's no good either since these
> books live and die by ad revenue. They need BMW ads. Who's left? Consumer
> Reports. Fine, but they don't test everything.
>
> Two respondents claimed any personal experience. One's opinion I discount
> immediately as his claim of no benefit on snow flies in the face of the
> third party test reports linked to by the manufacturer's web site, common
> sense and the fact the major snow tire manufacturers' sipe their tires
> from the factory because it works on snow/ice. So far (limited sample set
> for sure) no one says it hurts dry handling and that's my only concern. I
> will have it done on the set of all-seasons I'm buying now as I live in
> the snow belt and the benefit under snow pack conditions is appreciable.
> If I get the better tread wear and wet traction/braking, so much the
> better. Of course since I will never have the tires un-siped, I will be in
> no position to judge how much better (or worse) the traction.
>
> The fact that the people who build/sell the machines give you links to
> separate entities who have tried their technology and report favorably on
> it is completely normal and a service to the potential buyer. What do you
> propose they do to convince the public of the effectiveness of their
> product, anyway?
>
> - GRL
>
>
> "Bradburn Fentress" > wrote in message
> ...
>>A reference to a website whose sole purpose is to manufacture sell siping
>>machines and then sell them to tire stores? That's about as good as
>>providing a Scientology URL in order to prove that body thetans walk the
>>earth.
>>
>> At least two of the 3 respondents to this have talked about personal
>> experience. I have used siped tires for years and they are decidedly no
>> better on dry roads than the same tire without sipes. But they are quite
>> effective on ice, given the correct tire compound to begin with.
>>
>> As far as your Hoosier Tire cite goes: how exactly does their opinion of
>> the effectiveness of siping on dirt race tracks......apply to dry
>> pavement?
>>
>>
>>
>> "GRL" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Looks like we're getting a bunch of knee-jerk "it can't work" reaction.
>>> Watch the videos and read the Hoosier Tire piece before you dismiss
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Again, I want 1st hand experience from people who have done it and have
>>> the basis to give a dry handling opinion.
>>>
>>> Siping unambiguously DOES work for improving snow and wet braking and
>>> traction. If you look at the best snow tires, like Bridgestone Blizaaks,
>>> they come siped from the factory. My Hankook snow tires did, too. It
>>> works on snow. My question is exclusively about the impact on dry
>>> handling.
>>>
>>> http://www.sipers.com/sipers/press.asp#
>>>
>>> GRL wrote:
>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried siping of their summer tires? (This is where very
>>>> narrow cuts are made in a tire tread to aid in wet and snow traction.
>>>> Big positive impact on stopping distances, too.Supposedly improves tire
>>>> wear, too, due to facilitating tread cooling.)
>>>>
>>>> I'm about to buy a new set of tires and I'm tempted to have this done
>>>> ($10 a tire), but am not really sure of the impact it would have on dry
>>>> road handling. I can see how breaking up the tire tread blocks with
>>>> sipes might have a negative impact on handling in turns, but am unable
>>>> to find any comments on the web or news groups.
>>>

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