Service manual for 98 Camry: Haynes or Chilton?
If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a
beginner: Haynes or Chilton? |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:01:20 +0000, Ajanta wrote:
> If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a > beginner: Haynes or Chilton? I use both. If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best... |
"hachiroku" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:01:20 +0000, Ajanta wrote: > >> If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a >> beginner: Haynes or Chilton? > > I use both. > > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best... > Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge. -- Ray O correct the return address punctuation to reply |
Ray O wrote: > "hachiroku" > wrote in message > ... > > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best... > > > Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it > assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge. Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's, and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information (compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as those inside the dashboard. For people who don't know how to turn a wrench or change a tire, the best books by far are John Muir Publishing's "How to Keep Your" <name of car> "Alive" series, even if the person owns a totally different car. However a manual written specifically for the person's car is still needed. |
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Erik > wrote:
: This is the absolute truth folks... even the bad factory shop manuals : are head and shoulders above anything else out there. What is the price difference between two kinds for Toyota Camry? : : Erik |
> wrote in message oups.com... > > Ray O wrote: >> "hachiroku" > wrote in message >> ... > >> > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best... >> > >> Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it >> assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge. > > Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to > understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's, > and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information > (compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be > exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can > make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are > especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for > information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as > those inside the dashboard. > > For people who don't know how to turn a wrench or change a tire, the > best books by far are John Muir Publishing's "How to Keep Your" <name > of car> "Alive" series, even if the person owns a totally different > car. However a manual written specifically for the person's car is > still needed. When I worked the customer relations desk, we used to occasionally get complaints that the factory manuals were hard to understand for a layman after spending close to $200 for a full set, hence my warning. In my experience, someone who needs a manual to change oil or brakes probably should not be attempting fuel injection, emissions, or ECU diagnosis and repair. -- Ray O correct the return address punctuation to reply |
"Ajanta" > wrote in message ... > Erik > wrote: > > : This is the absolute truth folks... even the bad factory shop manuals > : are head and shoulders above anything else out there. > > What is the price difference between two kinds for Toyota Camry? > > > : > : Erik Factory Service Manual will be around $170 for the base book plus more for wiring diagrams. Factory manuals are very detailed and with one, you can disassemble and re-assemble the entire car. Chiltons and Haynes manuals will be around $30 and cover the repairs most homeowners would attempt themselves. -- Ray O correct the return address punctuation to reply |
"Ray O" > wrote in message ... > > "hachiroku" > wrote in message > ... > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:01:20 +0000, Ajanta wrote: > > > >> If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a > >> beginner: Haynes or Chilton? > > > > I use both. > > > > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best... > > > Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it assumes that the > user has at least basic automotive knowledge. Written for beginners or not, the factory service manual is vastly superior to either the Haynes or the Chilton. The factory manual has a picture of a part, any part, and it will actually be the right picture AND it will exist on the particular car. Haynes and Chilton, on the other hand, will have a picture that won't look like anything even remotely similar to what you are working on. I wouldn't encourage anybody to ever buy a Chilton or a Haynes manual - they aren't even suitable to wipe your ass. The factory manual is by far the better tool. It is more costly, but it is a much better manual. I assume the reader has basic automotive knowledge, or he wouldn't be buying a service manual in the first place. If this is true, then certainly Chilton and Haynes also assume a certain degree of basic knowledge. |
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