New engine build
 

Hi Poeple

I am quite new to this group so please be kind !

I am planning on building my first engine. I have read loads on the net
on how to ... performance this ... lightened fly wheel etc etc.

A few times I have come across the statement " but dont do this if its
going in a bus" !

So my question is this - what would be a good design, from carb though
to exhaust for my new engine.

I want not so much power/speed but tough reliable cruising at 70 - 80
MPH. Good MPG would be high on my list to.

I have read that a "square engine" ( stroke equal to bore ) is good for
fuel econ. Small inlet is good for busses ? Keep your flyweel heavy
(180) etc.

I will be using a spare 1300 dual port as my donar.

Any good sites I might have missed ( for bus engines ).
I would prefer type 1 as there doesnt seem to be that much info on type 4 )

Ta

Rich

64 1600 split bus daily driver , 68 1300 bay bus, 78 2000 bay bus, 70
1200-70 1300 71 1300 and 72 1300 bugs.

tricky wrote:
> Hi Poeple
>
> I am quite new to this group so please be kind !
>
> I am planning on building my first engine. I have read loads on the net
> on how to ... performance this ... lightened fly wheel etc etc.
>
> A few times I have come across the statement " but dont do this if its
> going in a bus" !
>
> So my question is this - what would be a good design, from carb though
> to exhaust for my new engine.
>
> I want not so much power/speed but tough reliable cruising at 70 - 80
> MPH. Good MPG would be high on my list to.
>
> I have read that a "square engine" ( stroke equal to bore ) is good for
> fuel econ. Small inlet is good for busses ? Keep your flyweel heavy
> (180) etc.
>
> I will be using a spare 1300 dual port as my donar.
>
> Any good sites I might have missed ( for bus engines ).
> I would prefer type 1 as there doesnt seem to be that much info on type 4 )
>
> Ta
>
> Rich
>
> 64 1600 split bus daily driver , 68 1300 bay bus, 78 2000 bay bus, 70
> 1200-70 1300 71 1300 and 72 1300 bugs.
>

This is going in the '68 Bus ???

Type 1 engines:
http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html


Loads of Type 4 info:
http://www.aircooledtech.com/
http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html
http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html
http://tunacan.net/t4/

How thick is your wallet??


Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/

Speedy Jim wrote:
>
> This is going in the '68 Bus ???

Yes the 68 for now, but if its good I will do one for the 64 too.
The 68 has a twin port beetle engine in that pulls better than the 1600
single port in the 64 !

>
> Type 1 engines:
> http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html
>
>
> Loads of Type 4 info:
> http://www.aircooledtech.com/
> http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html
> http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html
> http://tunacan.net/t4/
>
> How thick is your wallet??

Thats the other thing ! I dont want to spend to much !

Thanks for that - I will have a read.

70-80 MPH in a 64 Bus? Hope you live where there is absolutely no wind!

"tricky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Speedy Jim wrote:
>>
>> This is going in the '68 Bus ???
>
> Yes the 68 for now, but if its good I will do one for the 64 too.
> The 68 has a twin port beetle engine in that pulls better than the 1600
> single port in the 64 !
>
>>
>> Type 1 engines:
>> http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm
>> http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html
>>
>>
>> Loads of Type 4 info:
>> http://www.aircooledtech.com/
>> http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html
>> http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html
>> http://tunacan.net/t4/
>>
>> How thick is your wallet??
>
> Thats the other thing ! I dont want to spend to much !
>
> Thanks for that - I will have a read.
>

I used to drive my 2000 78 bay at these speeds easily. Has anyone out
there got a stock or mild built type 1 engine they are happy with ( or
not! ) they would like to tell me about. I was thinking 1641 pistons and
barrels, 1.4:1 rockers, but not sure wether to use a longer stroke crank.

Some body must have a real life (ie not theory) view on the ideal engine
for a bus !!!



Wolfgang wrote:
> 70-80 MPH in a 64 Bus? Hope you live where there is absolutely no wind!
>
> "tricky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Speedy Jim wrote:
>>
>>>This is going in the '68 Bus ???
>>
>>Yes the 68 for now, but if its good I will do one for the 64 too.
>>The 68 has a twin port beetle engine in that pulls better than the 1600
>>single port in the 64 !
>>
>>
>>>Type 1 engines:
>>>http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm
>>>http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Loads of Type 4 info:
>>>http://www.aircooledtech.com/
>>>http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html
>>>http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html
>>>http://tunacan.net/t4/
>>>
>>>How thick is your wallet??
>>
>>Thats the other thing ! I dont want to spend to much !
>>
>>Thanks for that - I will have a read.
>>
>
>
>

"tricky" > wrote in message
...
>
> Anyone know of any UK supplyers of type 4 parts to build an engine ?
>
>

..............There's your problem. The type 4 engine was never sold in large
quantities in Europe. Available engines for rebuilding and parts vendors
selling affordable parts are a bigger problem compared to North America.
Americans think that type 4's are common place and they're right but it
isn't always true elsewhere.

>From: "Tim Rogers"

>
>.............There's your problem. The type 4 engine was never sold in large
>quantities in Europe. Available engines for rebuilding and parts vendors
>selling affordable parts are a bigger problem compared to North America.
>Americans think that type 4's are common place and they're right but it
>isn't always true elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

tim.....where do you think most of our type 4 knowlege/adaptation(I.E. upright
conversion)/many parts come from?...folks in Europe have been using the type4
in beetles, buses, etc for many years...we are *WAY* behind them....that is
where people like Jake Raby, etc, have gotten the "bug" over the type 4....
-------------------
Chris Perdue
"I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in
the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the
air-cooled legend forward"
Jim Mais
Feb. 2004

"Chris Perdue" > wrote in message
...
>
> tim.....where do you think most of our type 4 knowlege/adaptation(I.E.
upright
> conversion)/many parts come from?...folks in Europe have been using the
type4
> in beetles, buses, etc for many years...we are *WAY* behind them....that
is
> where people like Jake Raby, etc, have gotten the "bug" over the type
4....
>
>

..........You're right but there is still an availability and affordability
problem in Europe and other parts of the world where type 4 engines were
never sold in large numbers compared to here.

Hello all , again !

I have been in touch with a supplyer of type 4 engines ( there aren't
many in the uk and most only sell long blocks complete )

I was advised to stick with type 1 !!! I was told it was loads of
trouble - different gear box ( tranny) different input shaft, different
mounting points .

Anyone had any hands on experience of puting a type 4 in a 68-71 bus ?

some sites suggest it would be quite easy ??

Rich


Tim Rogers wrote:
> "Chris Perdue" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>tim.....where do you think most of our type 4 knowlege/adaptation(I.E.
>
> upright
>
>>conversion)/many parts come from?...folks in Europe have been using the
>
> type4
>
>>in beetles, buses, etc for many years...we are *WAY* behind them....that
>
> is
>
>>where people like Jake Raby, etc, have gotten the "bug" over the type
>
> 4....
>
>>
>
> .........You're right but there is still an availability and affordability
> problem in Europe and other parts of the world where type 4 engines were
> never sold in large numbers compared to here.
>
>

"tricky" > wrote in message
...
> OK so a couple of you think T4 is the way to go.
>
> I am very happy with my 78 t4 2000, but the reson I was going to rebuild
> a type1 was , that is all that is advertised over here in the uk !
>
> Anyone know of any UK supplyers of type 4 parts to build an engine ?
>
> Ts
> Rich
>

Try here
http://www.statesidetuning.co.uk/catalogue/engine.htm

James