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Scott en Aztlán wrote: <brevity snip>
>
> http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/outpu...nws-bus14.html
>
> Punishment for teen drivers: riding the bus
>
> August 14, 2006
>
> PORTAGE, Ind. -- A judge fed up with teen traffic violators is hitting
> them where it hurts -- in the driver's seat -- by sentencing them to
> the embarrassment of riding the school bus.
>
> Porter Superior Judge Julia Jent got the idea after a girl in her
> court for a moving traffic violation appeared not to take seriously
> either the offense or the possible fine.
>
> The judge said she knew she had found a way to reach the teen after
> she ordered her to park her car and ride the school bus.

Without any reference to the length of the punishment this story may as
well been unreported. Was it one day, one week or one school year?
May the child drive elsewhere, or just not to school? Are there any
repurcussions for being kept home "sick" for the duration of the
suspension? For whom?

It seems nobody is so stupid they can't get a job as a reporter or
editor.
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- gpsman

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"gpsman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
Scott en Aztlán wrote: <brevity snip>
>
> http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/outpu...nws-bus14.html
>

Without any reference to the length of the punishment this story may as
well been unreported. Was it one day, one week or one school year?
May the child drive elsewhere, or just not to school?

(my reply)

Hey, you just reminded me of something. When I was 16-18 (the age of the
teens in this story), I had to work after school. We had no bus service in
my school district at all, BUT, if we did, and a judge had ordered me to
ride the bus, I would have been FIRED shortly afterward for being late to
work. I wouldn't have minded too much having to ride the bus, but I simply
wouldn't have had time to ride the bus.

Surely ordering someone to quit their job, or causing them to be fired, for
a minor traffic infraction, is not an appropriate punishment. -Dave

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:46:19 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:

>Hey, you just reminded me of something. When I was 16-18 (the age of the
>teens in this story), I had to work after school. We had no bus service in
>my school district at all, BUT, if we did, and a judge had ordered me to
>ride the bus, I would have been FIRED shortly afterward for being late to
>work. I wouldn't have minded too much having to ride the bus, but I simply
>wouldn't have had time to ride the bus.
>
>Surely ordering someone to quit their job, or causing them to be fired, for
>a minor traffic infraction, is not an appropriate punishment. -Dave
>
Priorities...
A high-schooler losing a job isn't neaqr as damaging as a breadwinner
for a family losing his/her job.
They get put in jail; things to think about.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

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>>Surely ordering someone to quit their job, or causing them to be fired,
>>for
>>a minor traffic infraction, is not an appropriate punishment. -Dave
>>
> Priorities...
> A high-schooler losing a job isn't neaqr as damaging as a breadwinner
> for a family losing his/her job.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Or put another
way, do you think it's appropriate punishment for a person to lose their job
over a minor traffic infraction, even if said person isn't the breadwinner?
We're talking about minor traffic infractions, remember. -Dave

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>>Hey, you just reminded me of something. When I was 16-18 (the age of the
>>teens in this story), I had to work after school. We had no bus service
>>in
>>my school district at all, BUT, if we did, and a judge had ordered me to
>>ride the bus, I would have been FIRED shortly afterward for being late to
>>work.
>
> Isn't that kinda like a convicted criminal whining about being fired
> when they get sent to prison?
>
> If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I'd agree with you, if we weren't discussing minor traffic infractions. You
think someone deserves to lose their job for a minor traffic
nfraction? -Dave

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"Mike T." wrote:

> "gpsman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> Scott en Aztlán wrote: <brevity snip>
> >
> > http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/outpu...nws-bus14.html
> >
>
> Without any reference to the length of the punishment this story may as
> well been unreported. Was it one day, one week or one school year?
> May the child drive elsewhere, or just not to school?
>
> (my reply)
>
> Hey, you just reminded me of something. When I was 16-18 (the age of the
> teens in this story), I had to work after school. We had no bus service in
> my school district at all, BUT, if we did, and a judge had ordered me to
> ride the bus, I would have been FIRED shortly afterward for being late to
> work. I wouldn't have minded too much having to ride the bus, but I simply
> wouldn't have had time to ride the bus.
>
> Surely ordering someone to quit their job, or causing them to be fired, for
> a minor traffic infraction, is not an appropriate punishment. -Dave

A license suspension would have the same effect, so what's the big deal ?

Graham

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>
>>>>Hey, you just reminded me of something. When I was 16-18 (the age of
>>>>the
>>>>teens in this story), I had to work after school. We had no bus service
>>>>in
>>>>my school district at all, BUT, if we did, and a judge had ordered me to
>>>>ride the bus, I would have been FIRED shortly afterward for being late
>>>>to
>>>>work.
>>>
>>> Isn't that kinda like a convicted criminal whining about being fired
>>> when they get sent to prison?
>>>
>>> If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
>>
>>I'd agree with you, if we weren't discussing minor traffic infractions.
>>You
>>think someone deserves to lose their job for a minor traffic
>>nfraction?
>
> This is a strawman argument. Just because they cannot drive their car
> to school doesn't automatically mean they will lose their job. The
> students can:
>
> * Adjust their work hours
> * Take some time off
> * Explain the situation to their employer, and work out a solution
>
> Worst case, if a high school student does lose their job, they still
> have a roof over their heads, they still have food on the table, and
> (most importantly) they can easily find another no-skills-required job
> after their sentence has been fulfilled. In the meantime, they'll have
> more time to do their homework, and to think about how to avoid
> repeating their mistakes.

Ever heard of emancipated minors? Myself and several of my friends were on
our own from the age of 16. Regardless of the quality of job you hold, it
takes on an entirely different significance when the income is used to buy
groceries and pay your share of the rent. -Dave

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>> (my reply)
>>
>> Hey, you just reminded me of something. When I was 16-18 (the age of the
>> teens in this story), I had to work after school. We had no bus service
>> in
>> my school district at all, BUT, if we did, and a judge had ordered me to
>> ride the bus, I would have been FIRED shortly afterward for being late to
>> work. I wouldn't have minded too much having to ride the bus, but I
>> simply
>> wouldn't have had time to ride the bus.
>>
>> Surely ordering someone to quit their job, or causing them to be fired,
>> for
>> a minor traffic infraction, is not an appropriate punishment. -Dave
>
> A license suspension would have the same effect, so what's the big deal ?
>
> Graham

A teen with a suspended license can get a ride to work. A teen forced to
ride the bus is essentially kidnapped and/or arrested, as they have no
freedom of movement until they arrive at their bus stop, sometime after they
should have been at work. -Dave

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In article ews.net>, Mike T. wrote:

> A teen with a suspended license can get a ride to work. A teen forced to
> ride the bus is essentially kidnapped and/or arrested, as they have no
> freedom of movement until they arrive at their bus stop, sometime after they
> should have been at work. -Dave

I rode the bus in HS, I had a job in HS.
I rode the bus home and got a ride to work.

It just continues to amaze me that what was a common everyday experience
for me is now 'punishment'.

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>
> I rode the bus in HS, I had a job in HS.
> I rode the bus home and got a ride to work.
>
> It just continues to amaze me that what was a common everyday experience
> for me is now 'punishment'.

You're confused, brent. The punishment is, and always was, the activity
that happened in the several hours preceding the bus ride home. Seriously,
prior to college (and some would argue even during college years) did
anybody learn anything at all that they would EVER use outside of a school
environment? -Dave