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In article >, jaybird wrote:

>> Last I heard the emergency rules didn't allow endangering others.
>
> Nope, they don't. Read the "due care" section.

Anyone else who excercises that level of "due care" is cited for reckless
driving.

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"Brent P" > wrote in message
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> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>
>>> No he did ****ty. I was there. Had I not picked up he was a cop I would
>>> have done something different and there would have been a crash.
>>
>> Using your psychic powers again?
>
> Why don't you read my posts again where I describe how I picked up it was
> likely a police cruiser closing on me.

I don't doubt that you figured out what it was. It was the crash prediction
I was refering to. You could make lots of money if you can predict those.

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"Brent P" > wrote in message
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> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>>
>> "N8N" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> jaybird wrote:
>>>> "N8N" > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > JohnH wrote:
>>>> >> >> Sounds like some good driving to me. They were able to get three
>>>> >> >> units to a felony in progress through traffic without hitting
>>>> >> >> anything or anyone. That's what I mean about police vehicles not
>>>> >> >> being ordinary traffic and why I always give them plenty of room
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> pass or turn anytime I see one.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So the cop that nearly cliped my car as he did 90mph down a 45mph
>>>> >> > posted arterial road was just doing good driving?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If I'm being held up I want the cops to have the accelerator to the
>>>> >> floor.
>>>> >> Perhaps you can let them know if you dial 911 to take their time,
>>>> >> only
>>>> >> drive
>>>> >> posted speed limits and for pete's sake stay out of the left lane
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> not
>>>> >> get near anyone else.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (Then again I'm probably killfiled as you disagree with some things
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> say)
>>>> >
>>>> > How about just using lights and/or siren as appropriate BEFORE
>>>> > driving
>>>> > in an illegal manner, as the law requires?
>>>>
>>>> The law does not require that and in fact makes special clarification
>>>> that
>>>> driving with lights and/or siren activated can sometimes be more
>>>> dangerous.
>>>> The activation of emergency equipment is not required and is left to
>>>> the
>>>> discretion of the trained police vehicle operator (at least in Texas):
>>>>
>>>
>>> ONLY in Texas. I don't believe the OP lives in Texas.
>>
>> No, you guys are all incorrect once again. In (625 ILCS 5/11-205) (Yes,
>> Illinois!) it says practically the same thing. To paraphrase, it says:
>> "The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, when responding to an
>> emergency call or when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator
>> of
>> the law...
>>
>> may:
>> 1. Park or stand, irrespective of the provisions of
>> this Chapter;
>>
>> 2. Proceed past a red or stop signal or stop sign,
>> but only after slowing down as may be required and
>> necessary for safe operation;
>>
>> 3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as he
>> does not endanger life or property;
>>
>> 4. Disregard regulations governing direction of
>> movement or turning in specified directions.
>>
>>
>> This is the important part:
>>
>> (d) The exceptions herein granted to an authorized emergency vehicle,
>> other
>> than a police vehicle, shall apply only when the vehicle is making use of
>> either an audible signal when in motion or visual signals meeting the
>> requirements of Section 12-215 of this Act.
>>
>> So, it says the same thing that Texas law does. All emergency vehicles
>> _except police vehicles_ are required to use a visual or audible signal
>> when
>> the above exemptions apply. The OP says that they were going to a
>> robbery
>> in progress, so they were perfectly legal in doing what they did.
>
> I don't see the license to drive recklessly. Also with out audible signal
> and lights nobody has to yield to the cop. Hmm... maybe I should get
> another beater car.

No one is talking about yielding.

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Your life is not my fault.

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In article >, jaybird wrote:
>
> "Brent P" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>>
>>>> No he did ****ty. I was there. Had I not picked up he was a cop I would
>>>> have done something different and there would have been a crash.
>>>
>>> Using your psychic powers again?
>>
>> Why don't you read my posts again where I describe how I picked up it was
>> likely a police cruiser closing on me.
>
> I don't doubt that you figured out what it was. It was the crash prediction
> I was refering to. You could make lots of money if you can predict those.

I wouldn't have to predict. I could have made it happen easily. He came
that close to hitting me. had I done what I normally would have done,
move right without accelerating, we would have likely collided.

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"Brent P" > wrote in message
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> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>
>> Glad to hear it.
>
> Not surprising, you'd like to see me killed by a cop crashing into me
> more than likely.

No, you're my comic relief.

>
>>>> Sometimes it is easier to plan your movement being fairly
>>>> certain that they are a constant.
>
>>> Yet if a non-cop drives that way, it's reckless.
>
>> Yes, but you have to go further than that. It has to be a cop meeting
>> the
>> criteria set in the applicable statute.
>
> You've just made the cops above the law, what's one more going to be?

I haven't made anyone anything. I've merely pointed out the exemption to
certain laws when police vehicles are responding to emergencies.

>
>>>> When you hit the lights and siren it is
>>>> difficult to know where that person is going to end up by the time your
>>>> vehicle is next to theirs. Even though everyone is required to move to
>>>> the
>>>> right, lots of people either don't, don't immediately, or try to go
>>>> left
>>>> because it's open. That makes it very hazardous when you're closing at
>>>> a
>>>> higher rate of speed than they are traveling.
>
>>> His not running lights greatly reduced safety. If he was running lights
>>> I
>>> would have punched the accelerator to make more room, instead I knew a
>>> cop was closing on me fast and didn't dare do what was safe because it
>>> wasn't legal.
>>>
>>> Now, your average lane blocking asshole would have seen some 'evil
>>> speeder' coming up from behind, not picking up on the fine details of
>>> ISP
>>> cruisers and probably done something to punish the 'evil speeder'.
>>>
>>> So, he runs his risks both ways, but in only one way are people required
>>> to yield to him.
>
>> Yes you're quite right there are risks both ways. By law, yeilding is
>> required one of the ways but by using common sense and sometimes leaving
>> things flowing the way they are, it sometimes makes it easier to
>> anticipate
>> the gaps.
>
> And if I had not properly identified him as a cop from tell-tale signs
> few people know (I learned that one r.a.d and confirmed it with
> observation of cop and non-cop crown vics and caprices, and former cop
> car taxis) there would have been a crash. If I knew he was a cop in hurry
> instead of one trying to trick me into speeding up, I could have made the
> situation safe by accelerating. But see that's another nasty habbit of
> cops, riding bumpers and coming up on people fast to get them to speed up
> because that's the natural reaction and then ticketing them for it.

At least now you're a little clearer on the law. I've done my service for
the day.

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My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

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In article >, jaybird wrote:

>> I don't see the license to drive recklessly. Also with out audible signal
>> and lights nobody has to yield to the cop. Hmm... maybe I should get
>> another beater car.

> No one is talking about yielding.

Why don't you read the first post of the thread again.

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"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>
>>> Last I heard the emergency rules didn't allow endangering others.
>>
>> Nope, they don't. Read the "due care" section.
>
> Anyone else who excercises that level of "due care" is cited for reckless
> driving.

Well yeah... it's the difference between personal vehicles and police
vehicles. If you read the laws I posted it clears it up so that you're not
so confused between the two.

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My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

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In article >, jaybird wrote:

>> few people know (I learned that one r.a.d and confirmed it with
>> observation of cop and non-cop crown vics and caprices, and former cop
>> car taxis) there would have been a crash. If I knew he was a cop in hurry
>> instead of one trying to trick me into speeding up, I could have made the
>> situation safe by accelerating. But see that's another nasty habbit of
>> cops, riding bumpers and coming up on people fast to get them to speed up
>> because that's the natural reaction and then ticketing them for it.
>
> At least now you're a little clearer on the law. I've done my service for
> the day.

Wooptie do... the cops got a law passed that makes what they would do
anyway legal.

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In article >, jaybird wrote:
>
> "Brent P" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>>
>>>> Last I heard the emergency rules didn't allow endangering others.
>>>
>>> Nope, they don't. Read the "due care" section.
>>
>> Anyone else who excercises that level of "due care" is cited for reckless
>> driving.
>
> Well yeah... it's the difference between personal vehicles and police
> vehicles. If you read the laws I posted it clears it up so that you're not
> so confused between the two.

And you wonder why people stop respecting the law.

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"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>>
>> "Brent P" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >, jaybird wrote:
>>>
>>>>> No he did ****ty. I was there. Had I not picked up he was a cop I
>>>>> would
>>>>> have done something different and there would have been a crash.
>>>>
>>>> Using your psychic powers again?
>>>
>>> Why don't you read my posts again where I describe how I picked up it
>>> was
>>> likely a police cruiser closing on me.
>>
>> I don't doubt that you figured out what it was. It was the crash
>> prediction
>> I was refering to. You could make lots of money if you can predict
>> those.
>
> I wouldn't have to predict. I could have made it happen easily. He came
> that close to hitting me. had I done what I normally would have done,
> move right without accelerating, we would have likely collided.

Ok, Brent you win. Your superpowers are better than his.

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My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.