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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
Driver license costs could go up
Reason: New federal anti-terrorism law By Mike Ward AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Thursday, July 20, 2006 Texans could soon get a jolt when they apply for a driver's license. Or maybe not. State Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, D-San Antonio, was quoted Wednesday as saying Department of Public Safety officials alerted her that the cost of a license could jump from $24 for six years to a whopping $100 or more. Reason: A new federal anti-terrorism law requiring all states' driver's licenses to be the same and much more sophisticated. Read that as more costly. "We're looking at a huge, unfunded mandate," she told the San Antonio Express-News. Even so, state officials quickly insisted that the $100 estimate is not a certainty, or even a good estimate, perhaps, since federal rules covering the new licenses have not been approved. They noted that any increase in the cost of licenses would have to be approved by the Texas Legislature, an unlikely group to quadruple the cost if public outrage were to surface as expected over such a steep increase. "DPS has done some modeling of costs, but the exact regulations are still in the rulemaking process, so it's premature to have hard and fast estimates," said Rachael Novier, a spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Perry. She said Perry is going to ask the Department of Homeland Security "to cover cost increases from any change they make, though he supports making our driver's licenses more secure." Lisa Block, a spokeswoman for DPS, was similarly noncommittal on any estimates. "We're looking at the (federal) requirements and how we will respond to those requirements," she said. "We're still formulating the estimates. .. . . Any numbers we have are estimates. Nothing is finalized." A Homeland Security representative in Washington said Wednesday that the change in federal law stemmed from the report of the Sept. 11 commission, which studied the terrorist attacks. Citing the fact that all but one of the Sept. 11 hijackers had obtained driver's licenses or other state identity cards, the commission recommended standardizing all state licenses and improving verification of applicants' backgrounds. Van de Putte was traveling Wednesday and could not be reached for comment. She told the Express-News that she was told the higher costs will stem from already approved federal regulations that will require DPS to begin more closely checking driver's license applications . That, she said, could result in longer lines not only for new applicants but for those who renew as well. DPS officials estimated the change will cost Texas about $168 million the first year and $104 million a year after that, the senator was quoted as saying. Texas has about 16 million licensed drivers. Last year the state issued 700,000 new licenses and processed 2.6 million renewals. -------------------------------------------------------- By the numbers: Driver's license costs The price of a driver's license in Texas since the first one was issued in 1935: 1935: 25 cents a year 1942: $3 for two years 1968: $6 for four years, $3 for two years 1974: $7 for four years 1984: $10 for four years 1985: $16 for four years 1998: $24 for six years, $4 per year Source: Texas Department of Public Safety Find this article at: http://www.statesman.com/news/conten...20license.html |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
Loco laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE proud graduate of the South Hampton
Institute of Technology ****ted the following bull**** in rec.autos.driving: > The fee should be based on your driving record. Charge a base of $24 > but when it's time to renew add another $100 for each traffic > violation in the last 6 years. Make the criminals pay thru the nose > not the law-abiding citizens. By that logic, based on your admissions here, I estimate that your license would cost about $724.00, or about two or three of your welfare checks for the year. Are you ready to walk that talk; or just walk everywhere you go? -- "My tars have been bald for two years. Every month i glue some sandpaper to them and everythings cool." --Laura Buch murdered her boyfriend / laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE 10/25/05 Message ID: http://tinyurl.com/7p7xq |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
It could backfire too. There are some areas in the SW states where you
lucky to find half the cars and drivers with legal registrations. Raising prices will have even less register. Dont even bother asking about insurance. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
In article >,
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE > wrote: >The fee should be based on your driving record. Charge a base of $24 >but when it's time to renew add another $100 for each traffic >violation in the last 6 years. The fee IS based on your driving record. Texas has had a "driver responsibility" tax on license points for a few years now. Three speeding tickets = $300. See http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ol/drp/drp.htm The base fee is rising because government grows to meet revenue and the money from the last tax increase has already been spent. -- John Carr ) |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
Loco laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE, proud graduate of the South
Hampton Institute of Technology told this lie in rec.autos.driving: > Leave us law-abiding citizens alone. You got alot of nerve calling yourself a "law abiding citizan," you criminal. -- -- "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: > http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Connecting POA to LBMHB/lbVH: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"Dennis M" > wrote in message
... > >She said Perry is going to ask the Department of Homeland Security "to >>cover cost increases from any change they make, though he supports >>making our driver's licenses more secure." > > Glad to hear that, in the future maybe privileged people like George W. > Bush and his wife won't be able to wipe their records clean of infractions > both in Texas and other states by uniquely being issued brand new Texas > drivers licenses. I lived in Texas for ten years (and had a son who got tickets) and do not believe that renewal has anything to do with "wipe their records clean." I think that you have some political agenda. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"Dennis M" > wrote in message ... > >She said Perry is going to ask the Department of Homeland Security "to > >cover cost increases from any change they make, though he supports > >making our driver's licenses more secure." > > Glad to hear that, in the future maybe privileged people like George W. > Bush and his wife won't be able to wipe their records clean of infractions > both in Texas and other states by uniquely being issued brand new Texas > drivers licenses. What infractions were "wiped clean"? |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
In article .com>,
wrote: >Driver license costs could go up >Reason: New federal anti-terrorism law >By Mike Ward >AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF >Thursday, July 20, 2006 > >Texans could soon get a jolt when they apply for a driver's license. Or >maybe not. > >State Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, D-San Antonio, was quoted Wednesday as >saying Department of Public Safety officials alerted her that the cost >of a license could jump from $24 for six years to a whopping $100 or >more. > >Reason: A new federal anti-terrorism law requiring all states' driver's >licenses to be the same and much more sophisticated. Read that as more >costly. > >"We're looking at a huge, unfunded mandate," she told the San Antonio >Express-News. > >Even so, state officials quickly insisted that the $100 estimate is not >a certainty, or even a good estimate, perhaps, since federal rules >covering the new licenses have not been approved. > >They noted that any increase in the cost of licenses would have to be >approved by the Texas Legislature, an unlikely group to quadruple the >cost if public outrage were to surface as expected over such a steep >increase. > >"DPS has done some modeling of costs, but the exact regulations are >still in the rulemaking process, so it's premature to have hard and >fast estimates," said Rachael Novier, a spokeswoman for Gov. Rick >Perry. > >She said Perry is going to ask the Department of Homeland Security "to >cover cost increases from any change they make, though he supports >making our driver's licenses more secure." > >Lisa Block, a spokeswoman for DPS, was similarly noncommittal on any >estimates. > >"We're looking at the (federal) requirements and how we will respond to >those requirements," she said. "We're still formulating the estimates. >. . . Any numbers we have are estimates. Nothing is finalized." > >A Homeland Security representative in Washington said Wednesday that >the change in federal law stemmed from the report of the Sept. 11 >commission, which studied the terrorist attacks. Citing the fact that >all but one of the Sept. 11 hijackers had obtained driver's licenses or >other state identity cards, the commission recommended standardizing >all state licenses and improving verification of applicants' >backgrounds. > >Van de Putte was traveling Wednesday and could not be reached for >comment. > >She told the Express-News that she was told the higher costs will stem >from already approved federal regulations that will require DPS to >begin more closely checking driver's license applications . That, she >said, could result in longer lines not only for new applicants but for >those who renew as well. > >DPS officials estimated the change will cost Texas about $168 million >the first year and $104 million a year after that, the senator was >quoted as saying. > >Texas has about 16 million licensed drivers. Last year the state issued >700,000 new licenses and processed 2.6 million renewals. So spread out $104 million or $168 million among the 16 million drivers in a 6-year renewal cycle - that's only a couple dollars per license per year! (See below for data including a 6-year renewal cycle starting in 1998!) - Don Klipstein ) >-------------------------------------------------------- > >By the numbers: >Driver's license costs > >The price of a driver's license in Texas since the first one was issued >in 1935: > >1935: 25 cents a year >1942: $3 for two years >1968: $6 for four years, $3 for two years >1974: $7 for four years >1984: $10 for four years >1985: $16 for four years >1998: $24 for six years, $4 per year > >Source: Texas Department of Public Safety > >Find this article at: >http://www.statesman.com/news/conten...20license.html |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
Greg Rozelle wrote:
> ACLU and others will be challenging the new id laws. There is no > way I could afford $100 for my drivers license. I sure hope this > does not apply to all states. I also wander how much ids will cost as > well. I wonder is this is related to the modified voting rights act? I know they didn't want to pass one until the democrats shamed them into it. Are there alternate IDs acceptable for voting? |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On 25 Jul 2006 05:33:41 -0700, wrote:
> wrote: >> On 23 Jul 2006 23:31:20 -0700, wrote: >> >> >Greg Rozelle wrote: >> >> ACLU and others will be challenging the new id laws. There is no >> >> way I could afford $100 for my drivers license. I sure hope this >> >> does not apply to all states. I also wander how much ids will cost as >> >> well. >> > >> >I wonder is this is related to the modified voting rights act? I know >> >they didn't want to pass one until the democrats shamed them into it. >> >Are there alternate IDs acceptable for voting? >> >> >> It comes from the Real Identity Act a patriot act type program to >> create tough national id programs. >> >> http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+...3-5697111.html >> >> iN TYTPICAL FASHION cONGRESS SNUCK IT INTO A MILITARY SPENDING BILL. > >It was an intersting read. Still, wouldn't a required payment for ID >acceptable >for voter identification be a form of poll tax unless an alternate free >ID is offered? Not unless the ID is *only* for voting, and maybe not even then. But it's a good question. :-) -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:27:15 -0700, wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:19:58 -0700, Bill Funk > >wrote: > >>>It was an intersting read. Still, wouldn't a required payment for ID >>>acceptable >>>for voter identification be a form of poll tax unless an alternate free >>>ID is offered? >> >>Not unless the ID is *only* for voting, and maybe not even then. >>But it's a good question. :-) > >Read the recent Georgia case: > >http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/...s/15009499.htm > >________________ >I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. > Terence If I remember right, Georgia offers a free ID card to those who can't afford to buy one. The case referrenced is about requiring ID at all, not how much the ID costs, which is what I see this thread to be about. Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as some make it out to be. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
In article >,
Bill Funk > wrote: > Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is > actually able/allowed to vote? Obviously, you have never worked the polls on election day. You should try it. As a poll worker, your job is to confirm that the voter's name is registered on the rolls, match the name against the address and give the voter a ballot. The name is crossed off the roll when s/he gets his ballot. Bingo. One man, one vote. If you are not registered, your name will not be on the rolls and you will not be given a ballot. Period. If the voter gives you a false name, s/he is committing a crime with severe consequences. Like gun laws, a little enforcement would go a long way toward preventing voter fraud without introducing even more laws. Allow local registrars to confirm voter records annually and purge those they cannot. This all costs money, but if the electorate is really interested in election rectitude, this is the way to do it. Forget voter ID. It is a bad idea that will almost certainly fail any court challenges. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
> said in rec.autos.driving:
> In article >, > lid wrote: > > > Like gun laws, a little enforcement would go a long way toward > > preventing voter fraud without introducing even more laws. > > In line with tampering with votes, here in Wisconsin, the fraud occurs > at levels far above the individual voter, and includes both parties: > > Republican gubernatorial candidate Mark Green, for instance, has > accumulated over $182,000 in his campaign coffers than is permitted by > state law. Thus far, the state Elections Board has done nothing. > > On the other side of the aisle, Democratic incumbent Governor Jim > Doyle's campaign manager, Marc Marotta, is increasingly the focus of an > investigation into the connection between campaign donations and > government decisions. Marotta was previously Administration Secretary to > the Governor's office. > > I assume it is the same everywhere at every level of government. We the > voters have nauseatingly been reduced to choosing between the following > parties: > > The party of corrupt self interest > > The party of dictatorial fascism > > The party of evil fundamentalism > > BTW, to see who is responsible for these (and possibly worse) being our > only choices in elections, go into the bathroom and look in the mirror. > > This situation will continue until we all demand that our elected > officials start doing the job we gave them: serve the public (not > private companies, not churches, not foreign interests, not their own > family and friends. The Public). > > If we demand that (which is what we are due), and we do not get it > (which we are certainly NOT), we should do whatever it takes, up to and > including open rebellion, to get them out of office posthaste. If they > steal from us, get 'em out. If they lie to us, get 'em out. If they > behave like nincompoops during national emergencies, get 'em out. > > That image you see in your bathroom mirror? That's the only one who can > accomplish it. And you can't do it if you don't know what's going on. Well said. But the sad fact is that come election day - be it this years elections or the elections in 2008 and beyond - the sheeple here in these United States will just go to the polls and re-elect the same tired old purveyors of the failed establishment - or if feeling really *bold* vote in the purveyors of the previous tired old establishment which is still tired and failed. People don't have the guts to - heaven forbid - go into that election booth and vote for someone else - be it the Libertarian, the Green, the Communist or what ever. We see it in Massachusetts (the kennedy klan), Chicago (right, Brent?), FL and TX (the Bush Bozos) and all over. People bitch about the Dems and the Repubs, yet every 4 years what do we get? A Repub or Dem president eventhough there are usually at least 3 or 4 other candidates on the ballots. We keep reelecting the same tired old failures to the Congress every 2 or 6 years. And untill We The Sheeple wake up and start voting for third party or independant candidates, we will get more of the same old, same old. IOW, we get the government we deserve. <stepping down from soap box> |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is
> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as > some make it out to be. Really? Check this out: Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, whew!) http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:37:40 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is >> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as >> some make it out to be. > >Really? Check this out: > >Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >whew!) > >http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm > >Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave > The rules allow 4 points for a passport (out of 6). The requirements for a passport are less onerous than NY requires for other ID. The other 2 points are easily provided by any honest person. As I said, this isn't as hard as many make it out to be. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Bill Funk > wrote: > Explain how this would confirm that the person claiming to be, say, > John Doe at 123 Main Street is, in fact, John Doe who resides at 123 > Main St. The investigation begins when the real Doe shows up to vote. > Explain to me how the person who claims to be someone he is not would > be caught? Or, demonstrate that there is actually an effort to catch > such people. Any deficiency in existing laws will not be rectified by implementing new, unenforced laws and will increase the likelihood of legitimate voters being unable to cast a ballot (both through mistakes and through turpitude). > Ah! Enforcement! This is not what is happening. Increasing the number of laws will not affect their enforcement. It will merely increase the complexity of the rules required to cast legitimate ballots. Added complexity will certainly lead to more numerous mistakes and a greater potential for abuse. Are not U.S. elections already sufficiently contested? Concentrating on enforcing existing election laws makes much more sense. > In fact, there are, in most states, not even mechanisms for > determining who that person standing there giving a name really is. Creating new laws fails to address the current deficiencies. Enforcement will still be required. Moreover, enacting new laws designed to prevent specific individuals from voting opens the potential for selective enforcement. An extremely dangerous precedent no matter where your sympathies lie. > With a gun purchase, ID must be checked by Federal law; there's no > analogy with voter ID. These rules were and remain heavily opposed-- sometimes even by those who simply love the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights more than they fear firearms (or terrorists, for that matter). |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
>>Really? Check this out:
>> >>Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >>social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >>of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >>whew!) >> >>http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm >> >>Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >>organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >>non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave >> > > The rules allow 4 points for a passport (out of 6). The requirements > for a passport are less onerous than NY requires for other ID. You mean HS hasn't gotten around to fixing that yet? I'm sure they are grateful to you for pointing out that oversight, and it will be corrected overnight. :( -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:47:13 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>>>Really? Check this out: >>> >>>Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >>>social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >>>of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >>>whew!) >>> >>>http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm >>> >>>Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >>>organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >>>non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave >>> >> >> The rules allow 4 points for a passport (out of 6). The requirements >> for a passport are less onerous than NY requires for other ID. > >You mean HS hasn't gotten around to fixing that yet? I'm sure they are >grateful to you for pointing out that oversight, and it will be corrected >overnight. :( -Dave > It's entirely possible there's much more going on here than a simple need for ID. However, looking at the requirements, I don't really see anything that makes getting an ID particularly hard. Of course, I'm a pretty mainstream person; those who want to stay off the grid might have a harder time than me. But then, such people don't want to vote anyway. Those who are pushing the no ID thing ar eusing the argument that ID at the polls will keep people from voting; looking at the figures for how many eligible people actually vote, it would seem that the very act of voting is too hard for the majority of them. In that sense, I'm sure that getting an ID is also too hard. But it seems to me that, if you actually want to vote instead of complain, getting an ID isn't the hardship some think it is. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"necromancer" > wrote in message th.net... >> said in rec.autos.driving: >> In article >, >> lid wrote: >> >> > Like gun laws, a little enforcement would go a long way toward >> > preventing voter fraud without introducing even more laws. >> >> In line with tampering with votes, here in Wisconsin, the fraud occurs >> at levels far above the individual voter, and includes both parties: >> >> Republican gubernatorial candidate Mark Green, for instance, has >> accumulated over $182,000 in his campaign coffers than is permitted by >> state law. Thus far, the state Elections Board has done nothing. >> >> On the other side of the aisle, Democratic incumbent Governor Jim >> Doyle's campaign manager, Marc Marotta, is increasingly the focus of an >> investigation into the connection between campaign donations and >> government decisions. Marotta was previously Administration Secretary to >> the Governor's office. >> >> I assume it is the same everywhere at every level of government. We the >> voters have nauseatingly been reduced to choosing between the following >> parties: >> >> The party of corrupt self interest >> >> The party of dictatorial fascism >> >> The party of evil fundamentalism >> >> BTW, to see who is responsible for these (and possibly worse) being our >> only choices in elections, go into the bathroom and look in the mirror. >> >> This situation will continue until we all demand that our elected >> officials start doing the job we gave them: serve the public (not >> private companies, not churches, not foreign interests, not their own >> family and friends. The Public). >> >> If we demand that (which is what we are due), and we do not get it >> (which we are certainly NOT), we should do whatever it takes, up to and >> including open rebellion, to get them out of office posthaste. If they >> steal from us, get 'em out. If they lie to us, get 'em out. If they >> behave like nincompoops during national emergencies, get 'em out. >> >> That image you see in your bathroom mirror? That's the only one who can >> accomplish it. And you can't do it if you don't know what's going on. > > Well said. But the sad fact is that come election day - be it this years > elections or the elections in 2008 and beyond - the sheeple here in > these United States will just go to the polls and re-elect the same > tired old purveyors of the failed establishment - or if feeling really > *bold* vote in the purveyors of the previous tired old establishment > which is still tired and failed. People don't have the guts to - heaven > forbid - go into that election booth and vote for someone else - be it > the Libertarian, the Green, the Communist or what ever. We see it in > Massachusetts (the kennedy klan), Chicago (right, Brent?), FL and TX > (the Bush Bozos) and all over. > > People bitch about the Dems and the Repubs, yet every 4 years what do we > get? A Repub or Dem president eventhough there are usually at least 3 or > 4 other candidates on the ballots. We keep reelecting the same tired old > failures to the Congress every 2 or 6 years. And untill We The Sheeple > wake up and start voting for third party or independant candidates, we > will get more of the same old, same old. IOW, we get the government we > deserve. > > <stepping down from soap box> Sounds like someone's been either reading Michael Savage's books or listening to his radio show. In any case, well said. > |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"Mike T." > wrote in message reenews.net... >> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is >> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as >> some make it out to be. > > Really? Check this out: > > Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original > social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms > of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, > whew!) > > http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm > > Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to > organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a > non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave > The problem with getting ID nowadays is the run around you get if you are missing both of your most basic forms of identification. Those being your birth certificate and social security card. Locally where I live near Nashville, TN, I've heard that many of the problems related to those trying to help the legitimately homeless (in other words, not drug addicts), is that very few of the homeless have a valid driver's license/state ID or a birth certificate or social security card. The problem is, many states require that a valid state ID to get a copy of your birth certificate. So basically, the homeless are stuck in sort of a catch-22, and it requires a lot of work (and help, from someone who's experienced dealing with that it) to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on them to get a license. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you
> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on > them to get a license. So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and just rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait a couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have utility bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't be surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily fined/something else nasty. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:47:53 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >> them to get a license. > >So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and just >rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait a >couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have utility >bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't be >surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X >number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily >fined/something else nasty. -Dave > Most people who move into a state and want a driver's license already have one from the state they moved from. Problem solved there. If the mover doesn't have one already, planning will overcome that problem, too. A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"Bill Funk" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:47:53 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote: > >>> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >>> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >>> them to get a license. >> >>So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and >>just >>rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait >>a >>couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have >>utility >>bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't >>be >>surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X >>number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily >>fined/something else nasty. -Dave >> > Most people who move into a state and want a driver's license already > have one from the state they moved from. Problem solved there. Nope. From what someone else posted, TN requires ID with current address on it. That is, out-of-state driver's license wouldn't likely have a TN address on it. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
In article ews.net>,
Mike T. > wrote: >> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >> them to get a license. > >So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and just >rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? Birth certificate, deed or lease agreement, and some random piece of paper you printed out which has your address on it... -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:21:37 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
> >"Bill Funk" > wrote in message .. . >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:47:53 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote: >> >>>> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >>>> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >>>> them to get a license. >>> >>>So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and >>>just >>>rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait >>>a >>>couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have >>>utility >>>bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't >>>be >>>surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X >>>number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily >>>fined/something else nasty. -Dave >>> >> Most people who move into a state and want a driver's license already >> have one from the state they moved from. Problem solved there. > >Nope. From what someone else posted, TN requires ID with current address on >it. That is, out-of-state driver's license wouldn't likely have a TN >address on it. -Dave > From: http://www.state.tn.us/safety/requireddocsign.htm Yes, you need 2 proofs of current residency; they suggest utility bill, all the regular stuff. Which would include rent receipt, bank receipt for setting up an account, receipt for startup payment for utilities... All things a normal new resident would be able to accumulate within the grace period. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:42:15 -0500, "Allen Seth Dunn"
> wrote: > >"Mike T." > wrote in message freenews.net... >>> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is >>> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as >>> some make it out to be. >> >> Really? Check this out: >> >> Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >> social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >> of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >> whew!) >> >> http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm >> >> Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >> organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >> non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave >> > >The problem with getting ID nowadays is the run around you get if you are >missing both of your most basic forms of identification. Those being your >birth certificate and social security card. Locally where I live near >Nashville, TN, I've heard that many of the problems related to those trying >to help the legitimately homeless (in other words, not drug addicts), is >that very few of the homeless have a valid driver's license/state ID or a >birth certificate or social security card. The problem is, many states >require that a valid state ID to get a copy of your birth certificate. So >basically, the homeless are stuck in sort of a catch-22, and it requires a >lot of work (and help, from someone who's experienced dealing with that it) >to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on them >to get a license. > Here is a site that gives the necessary information to obtain birth, death, marraige or divorce documentation for all US states and territories: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm As far as I can tell, nearly every jurisdictions offers some sort of workaround, so the "Catch 22" is more likely to be an excuse or sloppy thinking, rather than fact. For example: Connecticut: A copy of a photographic identification must be submitted with any request for a birth certificate. The identification must be a valid, government issued document. It this is not available, you may submit photocopies of two other forms of identification. Colorado: All requests for birth and death record must be accompanied by a photo copy of the requestor's identification before processing. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:21:37 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
> >"Bill Funk" > wrote in message .. . >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:47:53 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote: >> >>>> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >>>> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >>>> them to get a license. >>> >>>So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and >>>just >>>rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait >>>a >>>couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have >>>utility >>>bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't >>>be >>>surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X >>>number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily >>>fined/something else nasty. -Dave >>> >> Most people who move into a state and want a driver's license already >> have one from the state they moved from. Problem solved there. > >Nope. From what someone else posted, TN requires ID with current address on >it. That is, out-of-state driver's license wouldn't likely have a TN >address on it. -Dave > That's Dave for you - playing the fool on Usenet. A little research goes a long way, but Dave won't be on the train, apparently. http://www.state.tn.us/safety/DLFAQS/dlquestion12.htm Question: I just moved to Tennessee. When do I get my Tennessee driver license and what tests will I have to take? Answer: New residents holding a valid out-of-state driver license must obtain a Tennessee driver license no later than thirty (30) days after establishing residency. All out-of-state driver licenses must be surrendered. Tennessee law does not allow a resident of this state to hold more than one valid driver license. New residents must provide two (2) proofs of their current valid Tennessee residence address (Click here for examples of acceptable proofs of residency.) as well as proof of citizenship or legal presence (Click here for examples of acceptable proof of citizenship) and Social Security Number. (Note: Related Document - Quick guide of documents need to obtain a Tennessee Driver License. Available in PDF or HTML format in both English and Spanish - ¿Trajo Los Documentos Necesarios? PDF - HTML ) If a new resident brings a valid, out-of-state driver license (or a certified driving record from that state showing the license has not expired), only the vision test is required unless otherwise deemed necessary by the Examiner. However, if the license has expired over six months, all tests are required. New residents from other countries are required to take full tests: vision, knowledge, and road tests. They will be allowed to keep the license issued by that country. For more general driver license information (general info, office locations, online services etc.), visit the Driver License Issuance section of our website. Back to Driver License FAQ Menu |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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> That's Dave for you - playing the fool on Usenet. > > A little research goes a long way, but Dave won't be on the train, > apparently. > http://www.state.tn.us/safety/DLFAQS/dlquestion12.htm > Question: I just moved to Tennessee. When do I get my Tennessee driver > license and what tests will I have to take? > > Answer: New residents holding a valid out-of-state driver license must > obtain a Tennessee driver license no later than thirty (30) days after > establishing residency. All out-of-state driver licenses must be > surrendered. Tennessee law does not allow a resident of this state to > hold more than one valid driver license. > > New residents must provide two (2) proofs of their current valid > Tennessee residence address (Click here for examples of acceptable > proofs of residency.) as well as proof of citizenship or legal > presence (Click here for examples of acceptable proof of citizenship) > and Social Security Number. Nope, you didn't read what you yourself just posted. The last time we moved, we didn't get any utility bill for about 45 days after we moved, and that one was for the last month and a half. Also, my wife couldn't get a checking account with her name on it because she had no proof of local residency. That was silly, really . . . the bank gladly issued ME a checking account, but they wouldn't take my word for it that my wife was married to me and living with me. Even a copy of our marriage license and a photo ID didn't help. WTF??? According to the TN rules, my wife would have been in violation of TN law because she wouldn't have qualified for a license until sometime -after- the 30-day grace period. She could have applied the same day we moved there, but she wouldn't have gotten one until about 2 months later. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"> > From: > http://www.state.tn.us/safety/requireddocsign.htm > Yes, you need 2 proofs of current residency; they suggest utility > bill, all the regular stuff. > Which would include rent receipt, bank receipt for setting up an > account, receipt for startup payment for utilities... > All things a normal new resident would be able to accumulate within > the grace period. > -- Not so fast. If our last move had been to TN, my wife wouldn't have been able to come up with the proper proofs till about 2 months after we actually moved to TN. States seem to be ignorant of the fact that it's possible to be a legal, local resident, and NOT have your name on anything local. It's quite probable, in fact. It's called MARRIED, with your spouse buying the house and paying all the utility bills. And as I mentioned before, our bank was being a real pain in the ASS when it came to my wife trying to get a checking account. Didn't happen until we'd jumped through a couple hoops, and was finally settled about 6 weeks after we moved. But any proof that TN would have accepted, my wife wouldn't have been able to furnish any earlier than 45 days after she became a local resident. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:29:19 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:
> >"> >> From: >> http://www.state.tn.us/safety/requireddocsign.htm >> Yes, you need 2 proofs of current residency; they suggest utility >> bill, all the regular stuff. >> Which would include rent receipt, bank receipt for setting up an >> account, receipt for startup payment for utilities... >> All things a normal new resident would be able to accumulate within >> the grace period. >> -- > >Not so fast. If our last move had been to TN, my wife wouldn't have been >able to come up with the proper proofs till about 2 months after we actually >moved to TN. States seem to be ignorant of the fact that it's possible to >be a legal, local resident, and NOT have your name on anything local. It's >quite probable, in fact. It's called MARRIED, with your spouse buying the >house and paying all the utility bills. It's entirely possible to have the house in the names of both spouses. Who *pays* the bills is not germaine; whose name the billes are in is. If this is a problem, put the different bills in the name of each spouse; power in the wife's name, phone in hubby's name. > >And as I mentioned before, our bank was being a real pain in the ASS when it >came to my wife trying to get a checking account. Didn't happen until we'd >jumped through a couple hoops, and was finally settled about 6 weeks after >we moved. But any proof that TN would have accepted, my wife wouldn't have >been able to furnish any earlier than 45 days after she became a local >resident. -Dave > A little creative thinking will solve the ID problem. I don't remember the problem with your wife getting a checking account. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:24:29 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:
>> >> That's Dave for you - playing the fool on Usenet. >> >> A little research goes a long way, but Dave won't be on the train, >> apparently. >> http://www.state.tn.us/safety/DLFAQS/dlquestion12.htm >> Question: I just moved to Tennessee. When do I get my Tennessee driver >> license and what tests will I have to take? >> >> Answer: New residents holding a valid out-of-state driver license must >> obtain a Tennessee driver license no later than thirty (30) days after >> establishing residency. All out-of-state driver licenses must be >> surrendered. Tennessee law does not allow a resident of this state to >> hold more than one valid driver license. >> >> New residents must provide two (2) proofs of their current valid >> Tennessee residence address (Click here for examples of acceptable >> proofs of residency.) as well as proof of citizenship or legal >> presence (Click here for examples of acceptable proof of citizenship) >> and Social Security Number. > > >Nope, you didn't read what you yourself just posted. The last time we >moved, we didn't get any utility bill for about 45 days after we moved, and >that one was for the last month and a half. Also, my wife couldn't get a >checking account with her name on it because she had no proof of local >residency. That was silly, really . . . the bank gladly issued ME a >checking account, but they wouldn't take my word for it that my wife was >married to me and living with me. Even a copy of our marriage license and a >photo ID didn't help. WTF??? Proof of local residency isn't hard. You're living somewhere, right? A rent receipt will work, as will an approved mortgage app. Maybe a change of bank would be in order, too. > >According to the TN rules, my wife would have been in violation of TN law >because she wouldn't have qualified for a license until sometime -after- the >30-day grace period. She could have applied the same day we moved there, >but she wouldn't have gotten one until about 2 months later. -Dave > -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
>> I don't remember the problem with your wife getting a checking
>> account. > > Yes, I'd like to hear this one. We've never had any trouble > getting a checking account. > OK, it went like this. We've always had our finances somewhat separate. She earns her money, and decides what to spend it on. I earn enough money that I can handle all the household stuff with money left over, so I just pay all the bills (mortgage, utilities, etc.). So we keep two checking accounts, and various savings accounts, etc. It's just easier for us. She doesn't need to consult me before buying something, and I don't care anyway (she has her own money). Plus it's easier to keep the checkbook(s) balanced, as neither one of us is trying to keep track of someone else's transactions. When we moved a couple years ago, we moved into an area where our bank (the one we used for checking) had no branches or ATMs. No big deal, went online to research the banks in our new state and found one that looked like it would work for us. Immediately after moving, we both went to the local branch to sign up for checking accounts. This was a bank neither one of us had ever dealt with, and we had no accounts there. We had to fill out some forms, and furnish identifying documents. Those documents included something showing our local address. My name was "primary" on my checking account, her name was "primary" on her checking account. BOTH of our names were to be listed on the checks for both accounts. We were both on the signature card for both accounts. The bank manager (who was trying to get the checking accounts set up) informed us that a background check would need to be run, and that it might take about 24 hours. We didn't have anything to give the bank manager with my wife's name on it AND her new address. The mortgage, utilities, and all else related to the house were in my name. The bank manager said it shouldn't be a problem. We didn't give it much more thought. My wife still had the old checking account with money in it, so she kept using that, and she'd take out money at grocery stores, etc., (using her old debit card) so she wouldn't get dinged with the ATM fees. A couple weeks later, we get a phone call from the bank saying that they MUST get some kind of document (utility bill or something) with my wife's name and current address on it, or they'll have to close my wife's checking account as her identity could not be verified per their rules. They also said something about new federal regulations requiring a background check, blah blah. I calmly explain that there is nothing related to our property that has my wife's name on it. They wouldn't budge. We went back and forth with the bank for a few weeks. It was frustrating, but we called other banks and learned that they had the same rule, so switching banks wouldn't have helped. Finally I said ****it, called up the electric company, had the service switched to her name. Then had the electric company fax us a current statement. Then immediately called the electric company back and had the service switched back to my name. So the only way we could get my wife a checking account was with a forged utility bill, about 6 weeks after we moved. :) -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:54:27 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>>> I don't remember the problem with your wife getting a checking >>> account. >> >> Yes, I'd like to hear this one. We've never had any trouble >> getting a checking account. >> > >OK, it went like this. We've always had our finances somewhat separate. >She earns her money, and decides what to spend it on. I earn enough money >that I can handle all the household stuff with money left over, so I just >pay all the bills (mortgage, utilities, etc.). So we keep two checking >accounts, and various savings accounts, etc. It's just easier for us. She >doesn't need to consult me before buying something, and I don't care anyway >(she has her own money). Plus it's easier to keep the checkbook(s) >balanced, as neither one of us is trying to keep track of someone else's >transactions. > >When we moved a couple years ago, we moved into an area where our bank (the >one we used for checking) had no branches or ATMs. No big deal, went online >to research the banks in our new state and found one that looked like it >would work for us. Immediately after moving, we both went to the local >branch to sign up for checking accounts. This was a bank neither one of us >had ever dealt with, and we had no accounts there. > >We had to fill out some forms, and furnish identifying documents. Those >documents included something showing our local address. My name was >"primary" on my checking account, her name was "primary" on her checking >account. BOTH of our names were to be listed on the checks for both >accounts. We were both on the signature card for both accounts. The bank >manager (who was trying to get the checking accounts set up) informed us >that a background check would need to be run, and that it might take about >24 hours. > >We didn't have anything to give the bank manager with my wife's name on it >AND her new address. The mortgage, utilities, and all else related to the >house were in my name. The bank manager said it shouldn't be a problem. We >didn't give it much more thought. My wife still had the old checking >account with money in it, so she kept using that, and she'd take out money >at grocery stores, etc., (using her old debit card) so she wouldn't get >dinged with the ATM fees. > >A couple weeks later, we get a phone call from the bank saying that they >MUST get some kind of document (utility bill or something) with my wife's >name and current address on it, or they'll have to close my wife's checking >account as her identity could not be verified per their rules. They also >said something about new federal regulations requiring a background check, >blah blah. I calmly explain that there is nothing related to our property >that has my wife's name on it. They wouldn't budge. We went back and forth >with the bank for a few weeks. It was frustrating, but we called other >banks and learned that they had the same rule, so switching banks wouldn't >have helped. > >Finally I said ****it, called up the electric company, had the service >switched to her name. Then had the electric company fax us a current >statement. Then immediately called the electric company back and had the >service switched back to my name. > >So the only way we could get my wife a checking account was with a forged >utility bill, about 6 weeks after we moved. :) -Dave > No, that is the way that you CHOSE to do it, but if the electric bill had been in her name on your first visit, all the melodrama would have been avoided. The fact that you chose to make things more difficult doesn't mean that there was no other way to do it. |
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