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davea August 28th 06 10:58 AM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
A friend of mine has a BMW M3. He reckons that round a track he would
beat a 2005 V8 stang hands down. Didn't dispute that one but I did say
though that the 'stang would give the M3 a run for its money in a
straight line drag (plus sound much better doin it!). Both are about
0-60 in 5.0secs. Anyone think different?


tony August 28th 06 11:19 AM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
davea wrote:

> A friend of mine has a BMW M3. He reckons that round a track he would
> beat a 2005 V8 stang hands down. Didn't dispute that one but I did say
> though that the 'stang would give the M3 a run for its money in a
> straight line drag (plus sound much better doin it!). Both are about
> 0-60 in 5.0secs. Anyone think different?



My 06 GT ragtop beat an M3 handily at a "non-sponsored event", held at
a "non-sanctioned venue"... (Read: Light to Light, a little over a 1/4
mile)

The driver of the M3 was someone driving like a 'dick' and challenged me at
the light... When the light went green, I simply pressed the pedal to the
floor (Automatic Trans) and never looked back... Of course, the driver of
the M3 could have simply sucked at it too.. I think the driver will have a
lot to do with it in that case... A Mazda Rx-8 met a similar fate a few
weeks ago, but they are a full second slower in the 0-60 department..

My car is completely stock at the moment, but I am ordering a Shaker Scoop
and an STC Excal 2 for it this week..

Tony




[email protected] August 29th 06 02:33 AM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
davea wrote:
> A friend of mine has a BMW M3. He reckons that round a track he would
> beat a 2005 V8 stang hands down. Didn't dispute that one but I did say
> though that the 'stang would give the M3 a run for its money in a
> straight line drag (plus sound much better doin it!). Both are about
> 0-60 in 5.0secs. Anyone think different?


What year is his M3? That makes a big difference in the outcome of the
race.

Patrick


davea August 29th 06 10:07 AM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
It's a 2003 M3, 348bhp standard, no mods. I've been a drive and its
pretty fast. Still would always take the stang over it anyday. Mustang
sounds and looks 100 times more impressive!


Jeff[_13_] August 30th 06 04:32 PM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
Won't be hands down at all. Launching off the line is all about torque
& weight. Weight is negligibly close with Mustang at 3450 lbs & M3 at
3415 lbs. Mustang has a big advantage in torque with 320 ft-lbs @ 4500
RPM stock vs. the Bimmer's 269 ft-lbs @ 4900 RPM. However torque is
also a function of the gearing and tires. The M3's 6-speed allows for
much shorter gear ratios, which provides greater torque multiplication
(hence acceleration) at the expense of top speed in that gear.

The M3 has a 3.62 final drive with a SHORT 4.23 1st gear. Multiply
these times the peak torque (then subtract about 15% for driveline
losses) means you have about 3500 ft-lbs of twist at its rear axle. The
Mustang has a 3.55 final drive & taller 3.34 1st gear, twisting the
driveshaft with 3225 ft-lbs.

The final theoretical factor is the rolling radius of the tires. The
M3's 255/40R18's have a rolling radius of about 12.8" versus the stock
Mustang's 235/55R17's 13.3" radius. Wheel thrust equals driveshaft
torque / rolling radius. Therefore the M3 can be launched (if the
driver dares to do so at 4900 RPM & the clutch is up to the task) with
3281 lbs of force, while the Mustang achieves 2910 lbs at 4500 RPM.
Close, but not quite enough ASSUMING the drivers are equal.

Of course the distance of the "non-sanctioned" race is always a
variable. The M3 must shift out of 1st at 36 mph, while the Mustang
push on to 40 mph in 1st, allowing a chance to nose ahead while the M3
driver shifts (crucial to the result of this race). Likewise 2nd gear
is done at 61 mph in the M3 & 68 mph in the Mustang...beyond that,
please take it to the track!

At $60,000 the M3 damn well better perform better. However I would
gladly take a tiny fraction of the $30,000 in change to install a CAI
with SCT2 tune and a 4.10 gear. The former gave me another 30HP (and
raised my fuel cutoff to 6800 RPM). Swapping the gear too would result
in 3,570 lbs of thrust, more than enough to dispense with the M3 (and
just about anything on the road short of a new Z06)...all for the price
of a loaded minivan.


Jeff[_13_] August 30th 06 04:51 PM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
Big thumbs up to the SCT2! I also added the JLT CAI. On top of gaining
approx. 30HP, the tune eliminated the notorious electronic throttle
lag.The car feels like a completely different animal. It also raises
the very conservative stock 6050 RPM fuel cutoff. My tune was done at
Evolution Performance in Aston, PA, where my '06 GT 5 speed laid down
292 rwhp (93 octane tune) on their dyno (stock Mustang's typically put
260-270 hp to the rear wheels).

The shaker hood is a sweet mod that I would do in a heartbeat if money
wasn't tight. Being all about bang for the buck, my next mods will be a
4.10 gear and off-road X pipe. My experience is that "high-flow" cats
really don't add much power, and the cats rob about 15-20hp. The 4.10
gear still allows for a reasonable 2677 RPM at 70 mph, and can launch
the Mustang harder than just about any car on the road.


tony wrote:
> davea wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine has a BMW M3. He reckons that round a track he would
> > beat a 2005 V8 stang hands down. Didn't dispute that one but I did say
> > though that the 'stang would give the M3 a run for its money in a
> > straight line drag (plus sound much better doin it!). Both are about
> > 0-60 in 5.0secs. Anyone think different?

>
>
> My 06 GT ragtop beat an M3 handily at a "non-sponsored event", held at
> a "non-sanctioned venue"... (Read: Light to Light, a little over a 1/4
> mile)
>
> The driver of the M3 was someone driving like a 'dick' and challenged me at
> the light... When the light went green, I simply pressed the pedal to the
> floor (Automatic Trans) and never looked back... Of course, the driver of
> the M3 could have simply sucked at it too.. I think the driver will have a
> lot to do with it in that case... A Mazda Rx-8 met a similar fate a few
> weeks ago, but they are a full second slower in the 0-60 department..
>
> My car is completely stock at the moment, but I am ordering a Shaker Scoop
> and an STC Excal 2 for it this week..
>
> Tony



tony August 30th 06 05:46 PM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
Jeff wrote:

> Big thumbs up to the SCT2! I also added the JLT CAI. On top of gaining
> approx. 30HP, the tune eliminated the notorious electronic throttle
> lag.The car feels like a completely different animal. It also raises
> the very conservative stock 6050 RPM fuel cutoff. My tune was done at
> Evolution Performance in Aston, PA, where my '06 GT 5 speed laid down
> 292 rwhp (93 octane tune) on their dyno (stock Mustang's typically put
> 260-270 hp to the rear wheels).
>
> The shaker hood is a sweet mod that I would do in a heartbeat if money
> wasn't tight. Being all about bang for the buck, my next mods will be a
> 4.10 gear and off-road X pipe. My experience is that "high-flow" cats
> really don't add much power, and the cats rob about 15-20hp. The 4.10
> gear still allows for a reasonable 2677 RPM at 70 mph, and can launch
> the Mustang harder than just about any car on the road.
>
>
> tony wrote:
>> davea wrote:
>>
>> > A friend of mine has a BMW M3. He reckons that round a track he would
>> > beat a 2005 V8 stang hands down. Didn't dispute that one but I did say
>> > though that the 'stang would give the M3 a run for its money in a
>> > straight line drag (plus sound much better doin it!). Both are about
>> > 0-60 in 5.0secs. Anyone think different?

>>
>>
>> My 06 GT ragtop beat an M3 handily at a "non-sponsored event", held at
>> a "non-sanctioned venue"... (Read: Light to Light, a little over a 1/4
>> mile)
>>
>> The driver of the M3 was someone driving like a 'dick' and challenged me
>> at the light... When the light went green, I simply pressed the pedal to
>> the floor (Automatic Trans) and never looked back... Of course, the
>> driver of the M3 could have simply sucked at it too.. I think the driver
>> will have a lot to do with it in that case... A Mazda Rx-8 met a similar
>> fate a few weeks ago, but they are a full second slower in the 0-60
>> department..
>>
>> My car is completely stock at the moment, but I am ordering a Shaker
>> Scoop and an STC Excal 2 for it this week..
>>
>> Tony



I am looking forward to getting the SCT2 setup.. I think that will do it
for me for a bit in the performance department... I have some appearance
changes I want to make first...

I think the shaker is going to look awesome.. Flat Black Shaker contrasted
by the Silver paint and Black Convertible top... I am picking up the
Black Honeycomb rear end panel and the chrome pieces to outline the tail
lights.. The car has the wheels that look like the older Cragar 5 spokes..
(very retro)

Also considering repainting the spoiler to matte black.. I think the total
effect remind me of my 70 Mach I ... What do you think?







Harry in Montreal August 30th 06 07:09 PM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
i dont know which is faster, but have any of you ever driven a M3 with
the AMG transmission? it is totally incredible. i have driven many
cool cars in my time, but i have never seen anything that is so
technologically advanced as the AMG tranny. i love mustangs, but i have
to say that my buddy's 2003 M3 (which i wanted to hate) is the shiznit.
it looks a bit funny, and hte exhaust makes the motor sounds weird and
tinny, but it is one of the coolest cars on the planet - only with that
tranny though.

re some earlier posts, i belive that the 2003 M3s have 333hp.

if any of you get the chance to try it out, you'll be amazed.

harry in montreal


tony August 30th 06 07:25 PM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 
Harry in Montreal wrote:

> i dont know which is faster, but have any of you ever driven a M3 with
> the AMG transmission? it is totally incredible. i have driven many
> cool cars in my time, but i have never seen anything that is so
> technologically advanced as the AMG tranny. i love mustangs, but i have
> to say that my buddy's 2003 M3 (which i wanted to hate) is the shiznit.
> it looks a bit funny, and hte exhaust makes the motor sounds weird and
> tinny, but it is one of the coolest cars on the planet - only with that
> tranny though.
>
> re some earlier posts, i belive that the 2003 M3s have 333hp.
>
> if any of you get the chance to try it out, you'll be amazed.
>
> harry in montreal



I have a friend who just picked one up.. not sure about the tranny though..
I have been trying to find the time to go see it..



Harry in Montreal August 30th 06 07:39 PM

2005 V8 GT vs BMW M3?
 

tony wrote:
>
>
> I have a friend who just picked one up.. not sure about the tranny though..
> I have been trying to find the time to go see it..



i have no idea how they engineer it - but it basically engages a manual
clutch for you when you hit the gas, dropping harder shifts based on
driving style and acceleration. in sum, it makes perfect shifts for you
every time.it rolls around like a stick when you are stopped (at a
light for instance). it is the ideal tip-tronic compromise for those
lucky SOBs stuck in SOcal traffic. my friend sold his for a 2005
porsche 911, and then sold the porsche because he loved the amg. call
your friend and take it for a ride.

H



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