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lgcharlot November 7th 04 05:06 PM

Will TDI ever be available CA, NY, MA, ME?
 
Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model
year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in
2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost
$2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego,
I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but
don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has
had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long
time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been
told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the
two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that
I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not
here in central California.

Matt B. November 7th 04 07:46 PM

"lgcharlot" > wrote in message
m...
> Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model
> year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in
> 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost
> $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego,
> I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but
> don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has
> had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long
> time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been
> told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the
> two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that
> I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not
> here in central California.


I think it requires the low-sulphur fuel which I don't think arrives for at
least another year or two.

yes you can buy a TDI in a neighboring state but I think California has
managed to make it difficult by requiring that the car have 7500 miles on it
before it's considered "used" and you can bring it in w/o trouble. You
might have to find a friend in another state who will let you use his/her
address to register the car for the first year there while you rack up some
miles and then you later "move" to California. :)



Larry November 8th 04 07:03 PM

No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif
Emissions Certified. Should you try and get around your Calif residency,
you will need to be a cash buyer, as financing will be impossible to obtain,
and you will need an out of state residence address to use. In addition, you
would get the double hit for sales taxes, as Calif will come after you for
the 7.xx% upon bringing a car from out of state. You can bring in a used
TDI, that has over 7500 miles on the odometer and save the depreciation hit
as well, as well as paying only for Calif taxes.


"lgcharlot" > wrote in message
m...
> Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model
> year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in
> 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost
> $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego,
> I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but
> don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has
> had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long
> time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been
> told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the
> two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that
> I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not
> here in central California.




Joel Spencer November 8th 04 07:13 PM

I'm pretty sure you can buy TDIs in California. Saw several Jettas last
summer on the dealer lot in South San Francisco.

rgds
Joel


lgcharlot wrote:
> Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model
> year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in
> 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost
> $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego,
> I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but
> don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has
> had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long
> time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been
> told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the
> two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that
> I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not
> here in central California.


Booker C. Bense November 8th 04 08:46 PM

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Larry > wrote:
>No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif
>Emissions Certified.


_ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they
have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and
California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more
money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and
meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are
shipped to California.

_ Booker C. Bense




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Mike Smith November 8th 04 11:42 PM

Booker C. Bense wrote:

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> In article > ,
> Larry > wrote:
>
>>No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif
>>Emissions Certified.

>
>
> _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they
> have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and
> California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more
> money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and
> meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are
> shipped to California.


According to vw.com, neither 1.9 TDI nor V10 TDI models are available in
CA, NY, MA, VT, or ME.

--
Mike Smith

Larry November 9th 04 12:53 AM

You can buy 2004 and earlier TDI's...just not 2005 models. See www.vw.com
for further proof.


"Joel Spencer" > wrote in message
...
> I'm pretty sure you can buy TDIs in California. Saw several Jettas last
> summer on the dealer lot in South San Francisco.
>
> rgds
> Joel
>
>
> lgcharlot wrote:
>> Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model
>> year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in
>> 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost
>> $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego,
>> I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but
>> don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has
>> had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long
>> time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been
>> told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the
>> two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that
>> I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not
>> here in central California.




Tony Kimmell November 9th 04 01:34 AM

Typical California logic... How is a car going to pollute any less
once it has 7500 miles on it?? There have to be some REAL geniuses
running that state...

I keep hoping for the day that an earthquake causes the entire state
to break off and float away...


Booker C. Bense <bbense+rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled.Nov.08.04@ telemark.slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message >...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> In article > ,
> Larry > wrote:
> >No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif
> >Emissions Certified.

>
> _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they
> have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and
> California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more
> money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and
> meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are
> shipped to California.
>
> _ Booker C. Bense
>
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Joel Spencer November 9th 04 02:27 AM

Tony Kimmell wrote:
> Typical California logic... How is a car going to pollute any less
> once it has 7500 miles on it?? There have to be some REAL geniuses
> running that state...


Indeed. Cali has boutique gas formu's, too - in NoCal the stuff is
refined literally 15 miles away, and when we lived in SoCal they were
even pumping some it right there in the basin. Still, prices are near
$.50 above everywhere else b/c of the silly laws.

>
> I keep hoping for the day that an earthquake causes the entire state
> to break off and float away...


I would love that. Just moved to Yuma, Arizona, and I dearly miss the
ocean!!

rgds
Joel

>
>
> Booker C. Bense <bbense+rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled.Nov.08.04@ telemark.slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message >...
>
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>>In article > ,
>>Larry > wrote:
>>
>>>No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif
>>>Emissions Certified.

>>
>>_ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they
>>have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and
>>California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more
>>money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and
>>meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are
>>shipped to California.
>>
>>_ Booker C. Bense
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Steve Grauman November 9th 04 02:56 AM

>I keep hoping for the day that an earthquake causes the entire state
>to break off and float away...


Gee thanks from us here in Cali. I'm not really sure why anyone who lives
elsewhere would care what we do here in California. Although the emissions and
related laws here seem ridiculous, keep in mind that this is literally the car
capitol of the world. The average family owns 2 cars in this state and nearly
40 million people live here. The pollution in Los Angeles and the surrounding
areas has gotten nearly 70% BETTER since the late 1960s and that's largely the
result of the seemingly silly laws. And the bottom line is that the market for
cars like TDIs is so small that few people know or care about the regulations.
Steve Grauman


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