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[email protected] August 26th 06 05:47 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
91 Dodge dynasty. Has small transmisson alignment issue but works.
Started car fine, went back in office for a few. 5 minutes later came
out and just get the clicking sound when trying to restart. Changed the
starter and full charge on the battery, still just loud click. Would
this be from the misaligned tranny or did the engine lock on me. Has
good oil and fluids. Battery shows 12 to 13 v. Is there a way to unlock
or some other test to see what the problem is?
Very limited on funds so most of the work i will have to do.

PS. Oh yeah, when i run the ac i get cooland on the passenger side.
Woudl i have to replace the whole heater/ac module in the car or just
have the heater and ac lines flushed/pressured out?


Ralf Ballis August 26th 06 06:12 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
wrote:

> Started car fine, went back in office for a few. 5 minutes later came
> out and just get the clicking sound when trying to restart. Changed the
> starter and full charge on the battery, still just loud click.


This mean solenoid do mesh but starter doesn't cranking?
So you changed starter one time.
Have you checked main connection from the battery to the solenoid switch?

Regards,

Ralf
--
www.omnibusclub.de
Erfinder des Abgasturboladers Dr. Alfred J. Büchi: "Die Abgase,
deren noch inne-wohnende Energie bis dahin vergeudet wurde ..."

Ralf Ballis August 26th 06 06:20 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
Ralf Ballis wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> Started car fine, went back in office for a few. 5 minutes later came
>> out and just get the clicking sound when trying to restart. Changed the
>> starter and full charge on the battery, still just loud click.

>
> This mean solenoid do mesh but starter doesn't cranking?
> So you changed starter one time.
> Have you checked main connection from the battery to the solenoid switch?


Generally, hows about this engine, is it possible to crank it?

Regards,

Ralf
--
www.omnibusclub.de
Erfinder des Abgasturboladers Dr. Alfred J. Büchi: "Die Abgase,
deren noch inne-wohnende Energie bis dahin vergeudet wurde ..."

Robbie and Laura Reynolds August 26th 06 07:34 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 


" wrote:
>
> 91 Dodge dynasty. Has small transmisson alignment issue but works.
> Started car fine, went back in office for a few. 5 minutes later came
> out and just get the clicking sound when trying to restart. Changed the
> starter and full charge on the battery, still just loud click. Would
> this be from the misaligned tranny or did the engine lock on me. Has
> good oil and fluids. Battery shows 12 to 13 v. Is there a way to unlock
> or some other test to see what the problem is?
> Very limited on funds so most of the work i will have to do.
>



Put a socket on the front of the crankshaft and try to turn the engine.
That will tell you if it is frozen.

[email protected] August 27th 06 03:18 AM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
I tried to start it in Park and just a loud click. Moved it to Neutal
and nothing. Moved it to Low and got the same click as it did in Park.
Could this be an issue also, and how do I realign it if so?

Ralf Ballis wrote:
> Ralf Ballis wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Started car fine, went back in office for a few. 5 minutes later came
> >> out and just get the clicking sound when trying to restart. Changed the
> >> starter and full charge on the battery, still just loud click.

> >
> > This mean solenoid do mesh but starter doesn't cranking?
> > So you changed starter one time.
> > Have you checked main connection from the battery to the solenoid switch?

>
> Generally, hows about this engine, is it possible to crank it?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ralf
> --
>
www.omnibusclub.de
> Erfinder des Abgasturboladers Dr. Alfred J. Büchi: "Die Abgase,
> deren noch inne-wohnende Energie bis dahin vergeudet wurde ..."



Ralf Ballis August 27th 06 02:49 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
wrote:

> I tried to start it in Park and just a loud click. Moved it to Neutal
> and nothing. Moved it to Low and got the same click as it did in Park.


Whats the reason for this miss alignment and does shift control lever match
to the indicator?
If it's sure that you are able to bring it in neutral or park position, you
should be able to crank it.
Check neutral start switch for a closing contact in park and neutral
position of shift control lever, use a control lamp or an ohm meter, a
faulty or incorrect adjusted neutral start switch could be a case.
You should check this loud click, is it only from a relays or is it the
starter solenoid.
Check does solenoid mesh to the flywheel.

> Could this be an issue also, and how do I realign it if so?


Neutral position have to match at the shift control lever and the shift
control at the transmission. A shop manual would be an important help to
locate mechanical arrangements for adjustment especially of this model.

Regards,

Ralf
--
www.omnibusclub.de
Erfinder des Abgasturboladers Dr. Alfred J. Büchi: "Die Abgase,
deren noch inne-wohnende Energie bis dahin vergeudet wurde ..."

Joe[_3_] August 28th 06 04:35 AM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 

"Robbie and Laura Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> " wrote:
>>
>> 91 Dodge dynasty. Has small transmisson alignment issue but works.
>> Started car fine, went back in office for a few. 5 minutes later came
>> out and just get the clicking sound when trying to restart. Changed the
>> starter and full charge on the battery, still just loud click. Would
>> this be from the misaligned tranny or did the engine lock on me. Has
>> good oil and fluids. Battery shows 12 to 13 v. Is there a way to unlock
>> or some other test to see what the problem is?
>> Very limited on funds so most of the work i will have to do.
>>

>
>
> Put a socket on the front of the crankshaft and try to turn the engine.
> That will tell you if it is frozen.


Great idea!

OP, we really don't have any idea whether your engine is locked up or not,
because we're not there. You should be able to tell an obvious difference if
your engine is locked up with the starter drawing NO AMPS Whatsoever vs. the
engine locked up with the starter drawing ALL THE AMPS it can. If it the NO
AMPS version, then you don't need to worry about the engine. Just worry
about getting some electicity through that starter. We cannot tell the
difference because you are there where the car is and we are not.

This is the kind of thing that is horribly difficult to troubleshoot by
ASCII. All we can do is guess.

Here's a test for seeing whether your starter is drawing amps. Go out at
night, turn your headlamps on, and hit the starter. If the starter draws
full amperage, they'll dim quite a bit. You could also use voltage drop as
indication, or the starter getting warm would be a third possibility.



Robbie and Laura Reynolds August 28th 06 05:48 AM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 


Joe wrote:

> Here's a test for seeing whether your starter is drawing amps. Go out at
> night, turn your headlamps on, and hit the starter. If the starter draws
> full amperage, they'll dim quite a bit. You could also use voltage drop as
> indication, or the starter getting warm would be a third possibility.


That would also tell you if the problem is a dead battery.

[email protected] September 2nd 06 04:10 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
Battery has full charge. pulling 12.77v, the starter shows 12.54.
Replaced the starter, checked all wires. Everything seems fine.
Still get loud click. No missing teeth on the flywheel. Can turn the
flywheel manually.
Really lost now....


Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > Here's a test for seeing whether your starter is drawing amps. Go out at
> > night, turn your headlamps on, and hit the starter. If the starter draws
> > full amperage, they'll dim quite a bit. You could also use voltage drop as
> > indication, or the starter getting warm would be a third possibility.

>
> That would also tell you if the problem is a dead battery.



Ken Weitzel September 2nd 06 05:30 PM

Dodge Dynasty engine locked
 
wrote:
> Battery has full charge. pulling 12.77v, the starter shows 12.54.
> Replaced the starter, checked all wires. Everything seems fine.
> Still get loud click. No missing teeth on the flywheel. Can turn the
> flywheel manually.
> Really lost now....


Hi...

Not a mechanic, not even close. Just an old retired electrical
guy. Worse, on my first ever lifetime Chrysler product, so don't
know them yet either. :)

However, 2 cents worth, take it for just what it's worth.

From the facts that you give, I have no choice but to assume
that Chrysler starters must be changeable without changing
the solenoid. If that's the case, the solenoid is bad.

If that's not the case, then consider giving this a shot:

Put your meter across the battery, read the voltage, and
leave it connected. Have someone else try to crank the
engine while you watch the meter, and...

if the meter drops waaay down, less than let's say 10 volts,
then the battery and/or connections/and or cable is bad.

if the meter drops only a tiny bit, just a little, and
you don't hear the starter motor free spinning then the
solenoid is bad and/or the connection to the starter
is bad and/or the cable to the starter is bad.

if the meter drops only a tiny bit and you do hear
the starter motor free spinning, then the solenoid is
bad.

I'd betcha a dollar against a stale donut that the
solenoid is bad, and needs changing.

If dollars are tight, and you're a bit handy, there's
a good chance that you can "rebuild" the solenoid
yourself. There will be a contact (or two) in the
solenoid that makes connection to the starter motor
when it engages. I think you can probably clean up
those contacts and be good to go.

Good luck, and take care.

Ken




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