New, out-of-state, registration fees??
 

Please help!

I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).
Does anyone know if this is true or if there is a way to get around
having to pay the full taxes?

I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price
really low. But how does the DMV check on these things?

Thanks!

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote:

> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).

That's the least of your worries.

California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be
registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as
complying with California emission standards. Rest-of-the-US standards
alone don't qualify. If the underhood Vehicle Emission Control Information
label does not specifically say that the vehicle meets California
standards, you won't be allowed to register it. If you try, you're likely
to get the vehicle's VIN blacklisted so that you can *never* register it
in CA. CADMV is a law unto itself.

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote:

> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).

That's the least of your worries.

California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be
registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as
complying with California emission standards. Rest-of-the-US standards
alone don't qualify. If the underhood Vehicle Emission Control Information
label does not specifically say that the vehicle meets California
standards, you won't be allowed to register it. If you try, you're likely
to get the vehicle's VIN blacklisted so that you can *never* register it
in CA. CADMV is a law unto itself.

rides_twins wrote:
> Please help!
>
> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA -
California).
> Does anyone know if this is true

Yes, it is.

> or if there is a way to get around having to pay the full taxes?

Well, there's outright fraud ...

> I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase
price
> really low. But how does the DMV check on these things?

Some don't. They'll just assess you tax on the 'book' value or the
stated amount, whichever is greater. Others will inquire if the deal
looks 'fishy' to them. So then, you're looking at bank inquiries as
well as some additional outright fraud by both you and the seller (IOW,
you'll both have to do a little more lying to get out of it - and have
the bank records to support your lies.). Any dealership that would do
this is even dumber than you are for wanting to try it.

If you get caught, it's a theft offense. If it is a second theft
offense, in most states, it's also a felony. Even if it's only your
first, a conviction *must* be disclosed for future employment (unless
you want to try for *more* fraud). How many employers, given the
choice, will hire a known thief? You would be flatly prohibited by law
from employment or licensure in many fields. Considering all the
potential penalties, it's not really worth the bother and the few bucks
you might save.

Consider, too, what happens if you 'total' the car soon after purchase.
Do you think an insurance company is going to pay you the *book* value
or the actual stated *purchase price* that shows up in the state
records? See? There's more than one way to screw a moron.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; won't do that)

rides_twins wrote:
> Please help!
>
> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA -
California).
> Does anyone know if this is true

Yes, it is.

> or if there is a way to get around having to pay the full taxes?

Well, there's outright fraud ...

> I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase
price
> really low. But how does the DMV check on these things?

Some don't. They'll just assess you tax on the 'book' value or the
stated amount, whichever is greater. Others will inquire if the deal
looks 'fishy' to them. So then, you're looking at bank inquiries as
well as some additional outright fraud by both you and the seller (IOW,
you'll both have to do a little more lying to get out of it - and have
the bank records to support your lies.). Any dealership that would do
this is even dumber than you are for wanting to try it.

If you get caught, it's a theft offense. If it is a second theft
offense, in most states, it's also a felony. Even if it's only your
first, a conviction *must* be disclosed for future employment (unless
you want to try for *more* fraud). How many employers, given the
choice, will hire a known thief? You would be flatly prohibited by law
from employment or licensure in many fields. Considering all the
potential penalties, it's not really worth the bother and the few bucks
you might save.

Consider, too, what happens if you 'total' the car soon after purchase.
Do you think an insurance company is going to pay you the *book* value
or the actual stated *purchase price* that shows up in the state
records? See? There's more than one way to screw a moron.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; won't do that)

In article >,
Scott en Aztl?n > wrote:

> On 13 Jan 2005 08:29:32 -0800, "rides_twins"
> > wrote:
>
> >Please help!
> >
> >I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
> >won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
> >the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).
> >Does anyone know if this is true or if there is a way to get around
> >having to pay the full taxes?
>
> No, it's not new, and yes, it's true.
>
> Another thing to watch out for is to make SURE that the new vehicle
> you buy is EPA certified for sale in California. There will be a
> sticker under the hood that MUST say "California" on it, otherwise yu
> will not be able to register the car here. Usually this isn;t a
> problem, but it's best to find out BEFORE you buy. ;)
>
> >I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price
> >really low. But how does the DMV check on these things?
>
> The DMV is wise to all your tricks. :) They have a book i which they
> look up the taxable value of your vehicle. Thus, even if you manage to
> purchase it for $1 (or forge the bill of sale to make it appear so),
> they will still charge you use tax and VLT based on the book value of
> the car.

In 2000 my father (a California resident) bought a car in Florida.
The Car dealer collected the appropriate California state sales taxes.
The documentation provided included a certificate showing the Ca. Taxes
paid in Fl. A couple of weeks later, the car was registered in
Ca. and the certificate was accepted in lieu of use tax. I believe
they got it from the money paid in Fl.
--
Michael LeVine -
"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc

In article >,
Scott en Aztl?n > wrote:

> On 13 Jan 2005 08:29:32 -0800, "rides_twins"
> > wrote:
>
> >Please help!
> >
> >I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
> >won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
> >the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).
> >Does anyone know if this is true or if there is a way to get around
> >having to pay the full taxes?
>
> No, it's not new, and yes, it's true.
>
> Another thing to watch out for is to make SURE that the new vehicle
> you buy is EPA certified for sale in California. There will be a
> sticker under the hood that MUST say "California" on it, otherwise yu
> will not be able to register the car here. Usually this isn;t a
> problem, but it's best to find out BEFORE you buy. ;)
>
> >I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price
> >really low. But how does the DMV check on these things?
>
> The DMV is wise to all your tricks. :) They have a book i which they
> look up the taxable value of your vehicle. Thus, even if you manage to
> purchase it for $1 (or forge the bill of sale to make it appear so),
> they will still charge you use tax and VLT based on the book value of
> the car.

In 2000 my father (a California resident) bought a car in Florida.
The Car dealer collected the appropriate California state sales taxes.
The documentation provided included a certificate showing the Ca. Taxes
paid in Fl. A couple of weeks later, the car was registered in
Ca. and the certificate was accepted in lieu of use tax. I believe
they got it from the money paid in Fl.
--
Michael LeVine -
"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc

In article ch.edu>,
Daniel J. Stern > wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote:
>
>> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
>> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
>> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).
>
>That's the least of your worries.
>
>California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be
>registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as
>complying with California emission standards.

You could roll the odometer forward...

In article ch.edu>,
Daniel J. Stern > wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote:
>
>> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
>> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
>> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).
>
>That's the least of your worries.
>
>California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be
>registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as
>complying with California emission standards.

You could roll the odometer forward...

>I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
>won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay
>the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California).
>Does anyone know if this is true or if there is a way to get around
>having to pay the full taxes?
>
>I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price
>really low. But how does the DMV check on these things?

You need to check with the DMV. Here's some basic information.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/osreg.htm#BM2561
The biggest problem will be making sure that the car can be sold in California
-- meets smog requirements. More on that at the link above.


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