Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Bill Funk > wrote: > Explain how this would confirm that the person claiming to be, say, > John Doe at 123 Main Street is, in fact, John Doe who resides at 123 > Main St. The investigation begins when the real Doe shows up to vote. > Explain to me how the person who claims to be someone he is not would > be caught? Or, demonstrate that there is actually an effort to catch > such people. Any deficiency in existing laws will not be rectified by implementing new, unenforced laws and will increase the likelihood of legitimate voters being unable to cast a ballot (both through mistakes and through turpitude). > Ah! Enforcement! This is not what is happening. Increasing the number of laws will not affect their enforcement. It will merely increase the complexity of the rules required to cast legitimate ballots. Added complexity will certainly lead to more numerous mistakes and a greater potential for abuse. Are not U.S. elections already sufficiently contested? Concentrating on enforcing existing election laws makes much more sense. > In fact, there are, in most states, not even mechanisms for > determining who that person standing there giving a name really is. Creating new laws fails to address the current deficiencies. Enforcement will still be required. Moreover, enacting new laws designed to prevent specific individuals from voting opens the potential for selective enforcement. An extremely dangerous precedent no matter where your sympathies lie. > With a gun purchase, ID must be checked by Federal law; there's no > analogy with voter ID. These rules were and remain heavily opposed-- sometimes even by those who simply love the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights more than they fear firearms (or terrorists, for that matter). |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
>>Really? Check this out:
>> >>Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >>social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >>of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >>whew!) >> >>http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm >> >>Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >>organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >>non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave >> > > The rules allow 4 points for a passport (out of 6). The requirements > for a passport are less onerous than NY requires for other ID. You mean HS hasn't gotten around to fixing that yet? I'm sure they are grateful to you for pointing out that oversight, and it will be corrected overnight. :( -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:47:13 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>>>Really? Check this out: >>> >>>Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >>>social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >>>of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >>>whew!) >>> >>>http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm >>> >>>Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >>>organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >>>non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave >>> >> >> The rules allow 4 points for a passport (out of 6). The requirements >> for a passport are less onerous than NY requires for other ID. > >You mean HS hasn't gotten around to fixing that yet? I'm sure they are >grateful to you for pointing out that oversight, and it will be corrected >overnight. :( -Dave > It's entirely possible there's much more going on here than a simple need for ID. However, looking at the requirements, I don't really see anything that makes getting an ID particularly hard. Of course, I'm a pretty mainstream person; those who want to stay off the grid might have a harder time than me. But then, such people don't want to vote anyway. Those who are pushing the no ID thing ar eusing the argument that ID at the polls will keep people from voting; looking at the figures for how many eligible people actually vote, it would seem that the very act of voting is too hard for the majority of them. In that sense, I'm sure that getting an ID is also too hard. But it seems to me that, if you actually want to vote instead of complain, getting an ID isn't the hardship some think it is. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"Mike T." > wrote in message reenews.net... >> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is >> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as >> some make it out to be. > > Really? Check this out: > > Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original > social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms > of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, > whew!) > > http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm > > Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to > organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a > non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave > The problem with getting ID nowadays is the run around you get if you are missing both of your most basic forms of identification. Those being your birth certificate and social security card. Locally where I live near Nashville, TN, I've heard that many of the problems related to those trying to help the legitimately homeless (in other words, not drug addicts), is that very few of the homeless have a valid driver's license/state ID or a birth certificate or social security card. The problem is, many states require that a valid state ID to get a copy of your birth certificate. So basically, the homeless are stuck in sort of a catch-22, and it requires a lot of work (and help, from someone who's experienced dealing with that it) to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on them to get a license. |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you
> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on > them to get a license. So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and just rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait a couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have utility bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't be surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily fined/something else nasty. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:47:53 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >> them to get a license. > >So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and just >rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait a >couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have utility >bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't be >surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X >number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily >fined/something else nasty. -Dave > Most people who move into a state and want a driver's license already have one from the state they moved from. Problem solved there. If the mover doesn't have one already, planning will overcome that problem, too. A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
"Bill Funk" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:47:53 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote: > >>> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >>> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >>> them to get a license. >> >>So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and >>just >>rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? If you wait >>a >>couple of months (to get a TN driver's license), then you will have >>utility >>bills, etc., with your name and current address on them. But I wouldn't >>be >>surprised if TN law requires you to get a TN driver's license within X >>number of days of moving TO TN, or you are automatically suspended/heavily >>fined/something else nasty. -Dave >> > Most people who move into a state and want a driver's license already > have one from the state they moved from. Problem solved there. Nope. From what someone else posted, TN requires ID with current address on it. That is, out-of-state driver's license wouldn't likely have a TN address on it. -Dave |
Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
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Mike T. > wrote: >> to get around that issue. For what it's worth, in Tennessee, I think you >> need your birth certificate and two items with your current address on >> them to get a license. > >So how do you get a driver's license in TN if you just moved to TN, and just >rented or bought a property at the same time that you moved? Birth certificate, deed or lease agreement, and some random piece of paper you printed out which has your address on it... -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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