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Starfish February 6th 05 03:33 AM

tall background plants
 
Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant would
be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA



Elaine T February 6th 05 03:39 AM

Starfish wrote:
Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant would
be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA


The val you posted about earlier should do the trick if you put it in a
planter with fine gravel for the roots. It does need moderate light.
Anacharis (Elodea densa) is the classic plant for cooler GF tanks and
can be grown as bunches held together by lead weights.

It also would help to know your tank temp since it's GF and how bright
the lighting is.

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Starfish February 6th 05 03:52 AM

At the moment, the temp is sitting on23 degrees c and i have 1 4ft sylvania
growlux 36w light. tank is 72"x24"x28"
"Elaine T" wrote in message
...
Starfish wrote:
Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant
would be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA

The val you posted about earlier should do the trick if you put it in a
planter with fine gravel for the roots. It does need moderate light.
Anacharis (Elodea densa) is the classic plant for cooler GF tanks and can
be grown as bunches held together by lead weights.

It also would help to know your tank temp since it's GF and how bright the
lighting is.

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__




Starfish February 6th 05 03:53 AM

i will have a very fine scattering of coarse sand/extremely fine gravel on
the bottom
"Elaine T" wrote in message
...
Starfish wrote:
Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant
would be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA

The val you posted about earlier should do the trick if you put it in a
planter with fine gravel for the roots. It does need moderate light.
Anacharis (Elodea densa) is the classic plant for cooler GF tanks and can
be grown as bunches held together by lead weights.

It also would help to know your tank temp since it's GF and how bright the
lighting is.

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__




Elaine T February 6th 05 04:31 AM

Starfish wrote:
At the moment, the temp is sitting on23 degrees c and i have 1 4ft sylvania
growlux 36w light. tank is 72"x24"x28"


Honestly, go for plastic or silk plans. Temps are fine, but you have
nowhere near the light for aquatic plants. They'll just turn brown and
melt.

The general rule of thumb for planted tanks is 1-2 watts of fluorescent
light per gallon - five 40 watt tubes would be the bare minimum for your
tank. If I had tank that size, I'd actually use a metal halide pendant.
Plus, with a deep tank like yours, 1 watt per gallon would only grow
low light plants because the light can't get to the bottom very well.

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Starfish February 6th 05 11:34 AM

ok...with metal hallide, how strong?
"Elaine T" wrote in message
t...
Starfish wrote:
At the moment, the temp is sitting on23 degrees c and i have 1 4ft
sylvania growlux 36w light. tank is 72"x24"x28"


Honestly, go for plastic or silk plans. Temps are fine, but you have
nowhere near the light for aquatic plants. They'll just turn brown and
melt.

The general rule of thumb for planted tanks is 1-2 watts of fluorescent
light per gallon - five 40 watt tubes would be the bare minimum for your
tank. If I had tank that size, I'd actually use a metal halide pendant.
Plus, with a deep tank like yours, 1 watt per gallon would only grow low
light plants because the light can't get to the bottom very well.

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__




Rich M February 6th 05 08:36 PM

In article ,
"Starfish" wrote:

Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant would
be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA


If you get your WPG up to around 2...I've had great results with
moneywort (bacopa moneri sp?) in my planted GF tank. Leaves are thick
and tough and it roots very well. Same is true for all bacopas. They are
also much more attractive than some of the more "weedy" looking stem
plants IMO. Compared to most stem plants they are not fast growers but
they bush nicely when pruned and the cuttings take very well. They are
also extremely hardy and will tolerate adverse conditions. In less than
ideal enviroments they won't grow much but they usually won't die
either. When their needs are met they can actually grow fairly quickly
and will have a beautiful bright lime green color.

Elaine T February 6th 05 08:51 PM

Starfish wrote:
ok...with metal hallide, how strong?


Honestly, I've never tried to light a tank that big. Wish I had the
space or money to try. *grin* Hopefully someone else who has actual
experience will answer. My best guess from reading around is 2 175 watt
bulbs spaced about 3 feet apart. MH lighting is pricey, but very
beautiful. You get the most amazing sunlight ripples in the tank.

If you're handy, here's an a very cool lighting effect for a 200g tank.
http://www.thecichlidgallery.com/mynewstuff_02.htm The 4 bulbs pictured
seems too low to me, but if you did something similar with 1-2 watts per
gallon of compact fluorescent or VHO lighting you could grow mid light
plants.

But hopefully someone who actually has a 200g planted tank will come to
my rescue...hint, hint!

Another thing - if you go to planted tank style light, you're going to
need more plants than just background ones to soak up nutrients.
Othewise you'll be cleaning algae nonstop. Even easy plants like java
moss, hornwort or anacharis will do the trick and your goldies will
appreciate the snack.


"Elaine T" wrote in message
t...

Starfish wrote:

At the moment, the temp is sitting on23 degrees c and i have 1 4ft
sylvania growlux 36w light. tank is 72"x24"x28"


Honestly, go for plastic or silk plans. Temps are fine, but you have
nowhere near the light for aquatic plants. They'll just turn brown and
melt.

The general rule of thumb for planted tanks is 1-2 watts of fluorescent
light per gallon - five 40 watt tubes would be the bare minimum for your
tank. If I had tank that size, I'd actually use a metal halide pendant.
Plus, with a deep tank like yours, 1 watt per gallon would only grow low
light plants because the light can't get to the bottom very well.

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__





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Richard Sexton February 6th 05 11:47 PM

In article ,
Starfish wrote:
Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant would
be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA



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NetMax February 7th 05 02:18 AM

"Starfish" wrote in message
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Hi
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what good tall background plant
would be that doesnt really require co2 or gravel (or can be planted in
rectangular planters)
Its for a GF tank, so it can't be too flimsy and has to grow relitively
fast!
hope someone can lead me into the right direction

TIA



Pennywort. Looks nice in tall hex tanks.
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