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[email protected] May 26th 05 08:20 PM

Leaky Push-rod Tubes - NOT
 
The VW Valdez

Shoddily built 1834, product of a 'premier' engine-builder (according
to the defunct VWT). Dual carbs, shiny aluminum valve covers, -009,
trick muffler, lotsa junk parts that don't fit.

And leaks. Not a little, a lot, as in Exxon Valdez. Park it for a
week and fully HALF its oil ends up on the ground. Where from? Sump
plate, drain-plug, main seal, valve covers, PUSH-ROD TUBES.

Premier Builder sellz the kiddie a Billet sump plate, guaranteed not to
leak. Also sellzem eight spiffy anodized aluminum two-piece, O-ring'ed
push-rod tubes, guaranteed not to leak. As for the other leaks he
tells the kid: "All Volkswagens leak." He's built a zillion of them
and he ought to know, right?

So the kid puts on the sump plate and the spiffy anodized two-piece,
O-ringed push-rod tubes. Still leaks, of course. Mebbe a little more
than before, even. The kid's old man is furious; ****ing money away
yada yada yada...

The owner's a kid; typical Conventional Wisdomite, as reflected by his
engine. But his dad's not. And he's sick & tired of having a tar pool
for a driveway.

Friend of a friend of a friend, buncha phone calls and the next thing
you know the rolling piece of **** ends up behind the shop, driven by
the old man, not the kid, for me to 'take a look at it,' a favor for a
friend.

The thing is lowered, steering geometry totally ****ed up. No lower
tin-ware, no thermostat, no kool-tin. But kewl, right?

End-float at the pulley is about .128" I point out the jack, tell him
to drop the engine.

"Do we really HAVE to?"

"No." Big smile from me, along with: "Good-bye."

So he drops the engine.

Flywheel is torqued to about a zillion ft-pounds of course. Have to
use the jack-trick to pop it loose. I show him the distorted threads.
Main oil seal isn't fully seated. Pry it out. Engine's barely a year
old, already needs new bearings. But I'm not getting paid for any
this. Explain the problem, build him up a stack of shims, clean things
up, install a new seal -- properly seated -- re-install the flywheel,
align the disk, do the pressure plate.

Stock valve covers take care of the leaky aluminum crap. Stock sump
plate -- flat and properly installed -- takes care of the drippy sump.
But the push-rod tubes were interesting.

The problem wasn't the tubes, it was the loose lower studs. Turns out,
the engine was never re-torqued after the break-in period. You could
unscrew some of the nuts with your fingers.

And there was the problem. No sealant was applied to the backs of the
washers.

The outboard end of the lower head-stays terminate INSIDE the engine,
on the floor of the valve gallery. Any time you have a fastener that
terminates INSIDE the engine you must provide an oil seal. With the
lower head-stays, you dob a bit of Permatex into the machined well that
receives the washer. Washer gets washed with MEK, gets a matching dob
of Permatex on its back-side. Torqued to spec, no more leaks.

Valve lash was totally weird, no two the same and none even close to
spec. The adjuster-screws worn out, some smoshed into mushrooms and
already split. I replaced the worst of them but the lock-nuts were
also screwed-up -- rounded off. I didn't want to put any more parts
into it -- odds are, it'll end up in the crusher within a year.
Hair-pins & washers are visibly warn, towers on the right side are
grooved. Lotsa varnish in the valve gallery.

The wear and the varnish tells me the Premier Engine Builder didn't
include any of the reliability enhancements. Probably because they
haven't finished milking this particular cash-cow. I've got a hunch
the next thing they sell the kid will be a kewl pair of after-market
rocker arms.

Put the rockers back together, set the lash, helped him plug it back
in. He'd taken a day off from work to do this; was happy that it only
took about four hours.

While its ass is still up in the air I give him a gallon of mineral
spirits, let him scrub off the bottom of the engine and the heads and
the push-rod tubes, tell him about the cardboard trick (to spot drips).

It's still going to drip. He's got a Melling pump... more junk for the
Kiddie Trade. And the jugs have shuffled quite a bit, running with
loose studs and all. But the gusher is under control. I explain all
this while he's scrubbing.

We drop it off the jack-stands, put things away, fire it up.

Carbs weren't balanced, either for flow or response. Smells like it's
running rich but I don't want to get any more deeply involved than I
have to. Surprisingly, the timing is about right. I Re-set the
timing. He sez it runs better than it did. Wishful thinking. I stand
there and listen to it chug. The thing is a total piece of ****,
obviously imbalanced, over-carbed, improperly assembled and
indifferently maintained.

He asks what he should next.

"Polish it up and sell the sonofabitch. Buy a Toyota."

Five VW's in view as we're standing there, only one of them his. He
thinks I'm kidding and starts telling me how much money he's put into
the thing. Tough darts. It's a piece of junk, unsafe to drive because
of the altered suspension and unreliable because of the crappy engine.
But I don't say that. Instead, I figure out what he owes me. He pays
me for the parts and I wave him on his way, hoping he'll read this and
never come back.

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Got leaky push-rod tubes?

Maybe you don't; not of the dick-head who built the engine forgot to
put sealant on the washers in the valve gallery. (Another of those
'unimportant' details.)

YOU are you're best mechanic. And if you don't believe me, ask Rocky
:-)

-Bob Hoover


Scott Sansom May 28th 05 03:44 AM

> YOU are you're best mechanic. And if you don't believe me, ask Rocky
> :-)
>
> -Bob Hoover
>


Bob,

I hear what you are saying. I'm just getting back into aircooled VWs
as a hobby and am currently in the mode of looking for a good candidate
car (something in the '64 ~ '67 range). I'm pretty good with mechanical
things in general and have done a fair amount of work on VWs like
adjusting valves, brakes, pulling motor and replacing clutch/pressure
plate/throw-out bearings etc., and a good bit of body work. I've even
swapped a motor for one that was rebuilt by a good local mechanic. The
one thing that I have never tackled is a complete engine rebuild. A
task which is one of the things I plan on doing my self when I get a new
project car. I've got my old John Muir "Idiot" book and a few others,
but I'm afraid that I'll miss a few of the picky details like putting
sealant on washers in the valve gallery, etc.. I'm wondering if you
have seen the "Bugme" videos, particularly the one on engine rebuilding?
If so, what are your opinions of it? Does it do a good job of cluing
you into the inside tricks that a long time VW mechanic would know but I
wouldn't? Are there any other resources that do a good job of covering
engine rebuilding? You sound like a guy that has been around the block
a few time when it comes to VW mechanics. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott

Lynn Martin May 28th 05 04:22 AM

Scott,

I think the Bugme Engine video is pretty good.

When I built my engine, I also used Tom Wilson's book, "How to Rebuild Your
Volkswagen Air cooled Engine". Along with the Bentley Manual.

Lynn
1974 Super



Scott Sansom May 28th 05 04:47 AM

Lynn Martin wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I think the Bugme Engine video is pretty good.
>
> When I built my engine, I also used Tom Wilson's book, "How to Rebuild Your
> Volkswagen Air cooled Engine". Along with the Bentley Manual.
>
> Lynn
> 1974 Super


Thanks for the info Lynn. I don't think I have the Wilson book. I'll
check Amazon.com.

Thanks again,

Scott


[email protected] May 28th 05 06:27 AM



Scott Sansom wrote:
> > YOU are you're best mechanic. And if you don't believe me, ask Rocky
> > :-)
> >
> > -Bob Hoover
> >

>
> Bob,
>
> I hear what you are saying. I'm just getting back into aircooled VWs
> as a hobby ...


-------------------------------------------------

....then the odds are you won't take it very seriously. For me, it's my
means of transportation.

As a primer you might track down the TULZ series and give it a read.
(It was written for an auto-shop teacher in Tennessee.) The last two
chapters were never publicly posted. Any time you say something that
does not agree with the accepted Conventional Wisdoms you can expect a
lot of hate mail from the dweebs. And from those with a commerical
interest in keeping them dumbed-down as far as possible. (Yanking the
thermostat is a good idea, right? :-)

-Bob Hoover


Wild Bill May 28th 05 06:58 AM

Scott,
With Bob's permission the TULZ series is listed on Rare Air's web page
below . Go to the Home page and scan down to the "Transmission Section"
..click on the TULZ page. Enjoy.



Be Cool.....AIRCOOLED !!

"Wild" Bill Tucker

President
Rare Air VW Club
Pensacola, Florida




'78 VW Bus ( "Old Rusty" )

'76 Bug "The Grape"

'69 Squareback , Arizona car, Automatic








Rare Air VW Club Website:

http://www.devoted.to/RareAir

or

http://community.webtv.net/stlkikn/RAREAIRVWCLUBINFO









[email protected] May 28th 05 08:16 AM



Michael Cecil wrote:
>
> So does this mean you haven't seen the bugme videos?
>

-----------------------------------------

Yes.


John Willis May 28th 05 04:11 PM

On 27 May 2005 22:27:49 -0700, scribbled this
interesting note:

>As a primer you might track down the TULZ series and give it a read.
>(It was written for an auto-shop teacher in Tennessee.) The last two
>chapters were never publicly posted.


Will the last two chapters ever be available? I understand why you
might choose not to, after all the noise to signal ratio must become
pretty bad after suggesting such things as taking proper care of a
major investment such as an antique car!:~)

Just as a point of interest, the chapters you made available are
referred to frequently. I point them out to folks in this forum when
they answer their questions better than any other. I also refer back
to them on occasion when my memory needs a little help!:~) (I keep a
binder of good and helpful material not found in any repair manual. It
lives in my tool box in the garage.)



--
John Willis
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

Anthony W May 28th 05 05:07 PM

wrote:

> Any time you say something that
> does not agree with the accepted Conventional Wisdoms you can expect a
> lot of hate mail from the dweebs. And from those with a commerical
> interest in keeping them dumbed-down as far as possible. (Yanking the
> thermostat is a good idea, right? :-)
>
> -Bob Hoover


I know what you mean. As a former motorcycle mechanic I curse the day
the Japanese resurrected motorscooters. Evil and twitchy little devices
that are hard to work on and they seem to be designed to crash.
Needless to say this hasn't been a very popular view point mostly with
people that want a scooter but have never ridden one.

Tony


[email protected] May 28th 05 06:14 PM



John Willis wrote:
>
>
> Will the last two chapters ever be available?


------------------------------------------------------

Shortly after being written the hard-drive containing the TULZ series
crashed. I used a tape-streamer for back-up back then and the series
might be on the last tape. But it's too much trouble to dig it out.

-Bob



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