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[email protected] December 24th 04 01:14 AM

86 2.3 Electrical/Charging system questions
 


Hi;

My 97 cobra is parked and my 86 2.3 LX winter beater is out!

Background;

With headlights, turn signal and heater/rear defrost on, the rate at
which the turn signal flashes goes down significantly than when there
are no accessories running. My assumption is that the electrical system
is not producing enough juice at idle to power everything properly.

With the car off, I am reading 12.1 volts at the battery with my Fluke
multimeter. With the car at idle, and no accessories turned on, my
multimeter reads 14.09 volts at the battery. HOWEVER, with all
accessories on, and the car in drive (yes Jim W, parking brake on and
someone in car with foot on brake ;) ), my multimeter only shows around
12.5 volts at the battery.

Question:

Is 12.5 volts at the battery a normal voltage reading given all
accesories running and the car in drive? The car seems to run fine
enough, but I want to make sure I dont have electrical/charging problems
over the winter.

TIA,

Chris


RaOuL December 24th 04 02:24 AM

I'd be curious what the voltage is with all accessories on and the engine at
say 2k RPM. All accessories on at idle in drive might not give the best
indication of the charging system performance. If, with all accessories on
at a crusing RPM the voltage doesn't hang at around 13.5-ish V I'd suspect
the alternator or V-reg might be tired...

Ciao!
-=RaOuL


> wrote in message news:TbJyd.573074$%k.417262@pd7tw2no...
>
>
> Hi;
>
> My 97 cobra is parked and my 86 2.3 LX winter beater is out!
>
> Background;
>
> With headlights, turn signal and heater/rear defrost on, the rate at
> which the turn signal flashes goes down significantly than when there
> are no accessories running. My assumption is that the electrical system
> is not producing enough juice at idle to power everything properly.
>
> With the car off, I am reading 12.1 volts at the battery with my Fluke
> multimeter. With the car at idle, and no accessories turned on, my
> multimeter reads 14.09 volts at the battery. HOWEVER, with all
> accessories on, and the car in drive (yes Jim W, parking brake on and
> someone in car with foot on brake ;) ), my multimeter only shows around
> 12.5 volts at the battery.
>
> Question:
>
> Is 12.5 volts at the battery a normal voltage reading given all
> accesories running and the car in drive? The car seems to run fine
> enough, but I want to make sure I dont have electrical/charging problems
> over the winter.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris
>




Big Al December 24th 04 02:29 AM

> Question:
>
> Is 12.5 volts at the battery a normal voltage reading given all accesories
> running and the car in drive? The car seems to run fine enough, but I want
> to make sure I dont have electrical/charging problems over the winter.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris


At 2,000 RPM with everything off you should read 13.6 or more. At 2,000 RPM
the voltage should not change much as you turn on the lights, and heater.
Check for a slipping belt first. Oil or coolant can make it slip and not
screech.

Al



Jim Warman December 24th 04 03:52 AM

I'll agree with RaOul and Big Al in so far as your voltage measurement with
all the accessories on at idle..... Unfortunately, I have seen many cases
where faulty diodies can show us a high charge voltage but leave us with
insufficient current to properly charge the battery. What we really need to
measure is alternator current output along with the voltage to determine if
the charging system is operating at full capacity. This should certainly be
enough to keep the battery charged unless we have added high current
acessories..... remembering that the factory built the vehicle with an
alternator sized for the vehicle in it's normal "dress".

Another useful measurement is alternator ripple - this can indicate bad
diodes. Turn your DVOM or DMM to AC volts..... connect the black lead to the
battery negative and the red lead to battery positive. Your reading should
be < 90mV.


> wrote in message news:TbJyd.573074$%k.417262@pd7tw2no...
>
>
> Hi;
>
> My 97 cobra is parked and my 86 2.3 LX winter beater is out!
>
> Background;
>
> With headlights, turn signal and heater/rear defrost on, the rate at which
> the turn signal flashes goes down significantly than when there are no
> accessories running. My assumption is that the electrical system is not
> producing enough juice at idle to power everything properly.
>
> With the car off, I am reading 12.1 volts at the battery with my Fluke
> multimeter. With the car at idle, and no accessories turned on, my
> multimeter reads 14.09 volts at the battery. HOWEVER, with all
> accessories on, and the car in drive (yes Jim W, parking brake on and
> someone in car with foot on brake ;) ), my multimeter only shows around
> 12.5 volts at the battery.
>
> Question:
>
> Is 12.5 volts at the battery a normal voltage reading given all accesories
> running and the car in drive? The car seems to run fine enough, but I want
> to make sure I dont have electrical/charging problems over the winter.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris
>




[email protected] December 24th 04 07:34 AM

Big Al wrote:
>>Question:
>>
>>Is 12.5 volts at the battery a normal voltage reading given all accesories
>>running and the car in drive? The car seems to run fine enough, but I want
>>to make sure I dont have electrical/charging problems over the winter.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Chris

>
>
> At 2,000 RPM with everything off you should read 13.6 or more. At 2,000 RPM
> the voltage should not change much as you turn on the lights, and heater.
> Check for a slipping belt first. Oil or coolant can make it slip and not
> screech.
>


At 2,000 RPM, I am seeing ~14.7 at the battery with no accesories
running (the output does fluctuate slightly but not by much, say maybe
+-.2). There is definitely no belt slippage; new belts, proper tension
and no lubrication or glazing on the belts. The engine + compartment is
very, very clean on this car - I would notice fluids immediately.

Rein December 25th 04 06:34 PM

Have it checked (for free) at a aplace like autozone. They can measure
it while it's in your car.
Usually it's the alternator.


On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:14:43 GMT, " >
wrote:

>
>
> Hi;
>
> My 97 cobra is parked and my 86 2.3 LX winter beater is out!
>
> Background;
>
> With headlights, turn signal and heater/rear defrost on, the rate at
>which the turn signal flashes goes down significantly than when there
>are no accessories running. My assumption is that the electrical system
>is not producing enough juice at idle to power everything properly.
>
> With the car off, I am reading 12.1 volts at the battery with my Fluke
>multimeter. With the car at idle, and no accessories turned on, my
>multimeter reads 14.09 volts at the battery. HOWEVER, with all
>accessories on, and the car in drive (yes Jim W, parking brake on and
>someone in car with foot on brake ;) ), my multimeter only shows around
>12.5 volts at the battery.
>
> Question:
>
> Is 12.5 volts at the battery a normal voltage reading given all
>accesories running and the car in drive? The car seems to run fine
>enough, but I want to make sure I dont have electrical/charging problems
>over the winter.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris


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Rein December 26th 04 01:48 AM

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